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So I have a blog at http://www.chess.com/blog/DamselinDischess where I analyze GM games.  I do the analysis in Chessbase, I save it as a PGN, and I paste the PGN into the Chessbase blog using the "Insert chess game or diagram" tool.  I have never had a problem until the latest game today.  

 

Today I tried pasting in a PGN and got an error saying "Improper PGN."  The PGN viewer here:  

 

https://ingram-braun.net/public/chess/online-pgn-viewer/'

 

Has no problem with it.  Chess.com has had no problem with my PGN files before.  They customarily contain a great deal of detailed analysis and commentary.  

 

Has something changed or what is going on?  Why am I having this issue and what can I do to solve it?

 

Thank you for any help.  Here is the PGN I'm trying to use.

 

Angie 

 

[Event "Parcetic Memorial 4th"]
[Site "Sombor"]
[Date "1970.??.??"]
[Round "12"]
[White "Huebner, Robert"]
[Black "Podgaets, Mikhail"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E62"]
[Annotator "Angie"]
[PlyCount "91"]
[EventDate "1970.08.14"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "15"]
[EventCountry "YUG"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1998.11.10"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 {A positional treatment of the King's Indian. The
King's Indian Defense invites white to setup a strong center. Black then makes
a target of it. This move declares that white is in no hurry to setup that
center.} Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 d6 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. O-O Bf5 8. b3 Qc8 (8... Ne4 {
is the most common move in this position. The mainline continues} 9. Bb2 Nxc3
10. Bxc3 Be4 11. Qd2) 9. Bb2 Bh3 10. e4 (10. Bxh3 $6 Qxh3 {would be dubious
because of the weakened white squares around the white king. The text puts the
king to work covering those same squares. The loss of the fianchetto bishop is
not such a great loss given that the h1-a8 diagonal will be closed.}) ({
Huebner assesses that after} 10. d5 Nb4 {the black knight is badly out of play.
Fritz disagrees and actually thinks that this is not half bad for black. But
I'm with Huebner on this one. After} 11. a3 Na6 12. b4 {Fritz wants to play}
Nb8 {I agree that's the best move in the position. But why not play it back on
move 10? By delaying until now, black has allowed white some extra time to
kick around the night while grabbing a substantial space advantage in the
process.}) 10... Bxg2 11. Kxg2 {As noted previously, the white king covers the
weak light square.} e5 12. d5 (12. dxe5 Nxe5 13. Nd4 Re8 {Covering the e7
square to prevent ideas like} (13... -- 14. Nd5 {and} -- 15. Ne7+) 14. f3 Nc6
15. Nc2 ({Fritz suggests} 15. Nxc6 {as a possible improvement. But after} bxc6
16. Na4 Qa6 {it is hard to see why this really improves the position for white.
Black seems solid. The doubled c-pawns cannot readily be exploited by white.})
15... Nd7 {and Huebner has a passive, but solid, position. I agree.}) 12... Ne7
({Huebner recommends} 12... Nd4 {As equalizing. But after} 13. Nxd4 exd4 14.
Qxd4 Re8 15. Qd2 Nxe4 16. Nxe4 Rxe4 17. Rae1 (17. Bxg7 Kxg7 18. Rfe1 Qf5 19.
Rxe4 Qxe4+ 20. f3 (20. Kg1 Re8 21. Qa5 b6 22. Qxa7 Re7 23. Qa3 Qd4 {Huebner's
final position, which he assesses as equal. While I agree with the assessment,
I believe that black's play can be improved on.}) 20... Qf5 (20... Qe5 21. Re1
Qf6 22. Qe3 {and white gains an advantage due to control over the e-file.}) (
20... Qe7 21. Re1 Qd7 22. Qd4+ Kg8 (22... Kf8 $4 23. Qh8#) 23. Qe3 Kf8 24. h4 (
24. Qh6+ Kg8 25. Qe3 Kf8 {is a possible draw by repetition.}) 24... Re8 25.
Qxe8+ Qxe8 26. Rxe8+ Kxe8 {with an advantageous pawn ending for white. White's
extra space will make it difficult for black to create a passed pawn. White
will have space to maneuver and opportunity to create and exploit the holes in
black's pawn structure.}) (20... Qe8 21. Re1 Qd7 {would continue as above in
variation in A2.}) 21. Re1 {leaves a slight advantage for white because white
controls the e-file.}) 17... Qe8 18. Rxe4 Qxe4+ 19. f3 Qf5 20. Re1 {and again
White seems to have a slight edge based on possession of the e-file.}) (12...
Nb8 {tries rerouting the knight to target c5.} 13. Ne1 (13. Qe2 Re8 14. Ne1
Nbd7 15. Nd3 (15. b4 a5 16. a3 c6 {and black begins hitting back against the
white center. White has a space advantage, but is overextended. This position
seems roughly equal.}) 15... a6 (15... b6 16. Bc1 Nc5 17. Nxc5 bxc5 18. Bg5 h6
{and White has more active pieces whereas black's simply have very little to
do.}) 16. Bc1 b6 17. f3 Nc5 18. Nxc5 bxc5 19. g4 {and white is beginning to
have attacking prospects, which give him an advantage. By the way, g4 is an
obvious move to a human (or at least this one). But the only engine that sees
it is Stockfish 8. Houdini 4, Stockfish 7, and Fritz all disagree with me on
this.}) 13... a5 14. Nd3 Na6 15. f3 Nd7 16. Qd2 f5 {and white's edge is very
slight. Black is able to slow down any white action on the queen side through
control of b4 and c5 and begins thematic action against the white queen side.})
13. Qe2 Nd7 14. b4 h6 {A necessary prelude to ... f5. In response to an
immediate ... f5, white could play} (14... f5 15. Ng5 fxe4 16. Ne6) 15. Ne1 {
Huebner recommends transferring the knight to b3 by way of d2 as slightly more
accurate. I doubt it. For example:} (15. Nd2 a5 (15... f5 16. f3 -- 17. Nb3 {
is Heubner's analysis. He views it as quashing black's counterplay. I see no
improvement compared to my analysis.}) 16. a3 {This seems to be one of those
positions where computers have trouble finding things to do. Fritz and
Stockfish both come up with Kh7 or Kh8 for black for reasons that are unclear.}
(16. b5 $6 {and the black knight has a cozy square on c5.}) (16. bxa5 Rxa5 17.
Nb3 {seems to surrender the white edge. The a-pawn will be a long term
weakness. The c5 square will be a nice home for the black knight. White gains
nothing significant in exchange.}) 16... c6 17. Nb3 a4 {Now what?}) 15... f5 ({
Huebner suggests the following variation for black and assesses it as nearly
equalizing.} 15... a5 16. a3 axb4 17. axb4 Rxa1 18. Bxa1 c6 19. c5 (19. Nc2
cxd5 20. cxd5 Qd8 {would seem a small improvement for white, bringing the
knight on the e1 into the game quite quickly.}) 19... Qb8 {still seems better
for white. I actually think that ... f5 may be black's best move in this
position. Aside from the fact that it is thematic in the Kings Indian defense
for black to open lines on the king side with an f5 pawn thrust, black also
has the difficulty here of lacking space, having his Queen awkwardly placed on
c8, and is at risk of being slowly smothered for lack of counter play. 15 ...
f5 seems like the best attempt to open those king sidelines and begin to seek
counter play.}) 16. Nd3 (16. f3 {is a passive attempt to defend the center}
fxe4 (16... f4 17. c5 (17. gxf4 exf4 {and black is gaining open lines that
allow for possibilities of more open play.}) 17... dxc5 18. bxc5 {and White
has clear superiority largely based on his space advantage in the center and
the advancement potential of the c- and d- ponds.} Nxc5 $2 19. Qc4 {threatening
} -- 20. d6+) 17. fxe4 (17. Nxe4 Nf6 18. Nxf6+ Bxf6 (18... Rxf6 $2 19. f4) 19.
f4 Nf5 20. fxe5 dxe5 21. g4 Nh4+ 22. Kh3 {and white has a clear initiative.}) (
17. Qxe4 Nf5 18. Nc2 c5 19. b5 Nf6 {and the initiative seems to have switched
to black.}) 17... Rxf1 18. Qxf1 a5 {with increasing counterplay for black.} (
18... Qf8)) 16... Nb6 (16... a5 17. b5 (17. a3 axb4 18. axb4 Rxa1 19. Rxa1 fxe4
20. Nxe4 b5) 17... c6 (17... b6 18. f3 f4 19. a4 (19. gxf4 exf4 {and now the
black bishop on g7, up to now not an active participant in the proceedings,
suddenly is quite strong along the a1-h8 diagonal.}) 19... g5 {with a
slight-side initiative for black. But I do not think that it is ultimately
dangerous to white at this point. It looks headed toward equilibrium with
minimal open lines on both sides.}) 18. bxc6 bxc6 19. Ba3 (19. dxc6 Qxc6 {
and suddenly black has gained an edge. Whites queen side looks vulnerable.})
19... c5 (19... cxd5 20. Nxd5 Nxd5 21. cxd5 {seems roughly equal.}) 20. f3 Nb6
21. Nf2 {seems, if anything, advantageous to black. At a minimum, the black
pieces are getting into the game quite quickly. White, on the other hand, is
playing reactively rather than proactively. The closing lines on the queen
side make it hard for white to accomplish much there. The white pieces really
are not positioned for king side action.}) 17. c5 Nc4 (17... Nd7 {It is always
psychologically difficult to undo your previous move. In this case, it would
have at least offered equal chances to the text. Play might have continued:}
18. f3 a6 19. a4 Nf6 20. b5 axb5 21. Nxb5 Qd7 22. Rfc1 Rfc8 23. Rc4 {with a
growing advantage for white.}) 18. f3 {Both reinforcing the center and
preparing to evict the black knight with a future Nf2.} (18. Bc1 {Looks
tempting. But, as Huebner points out, the knight cannot be trapped. (His
analysis is too lengthy to quote) but the move may, nonetheless, be good for
other reasons. Notably Huebner only evaluates . . . a5. However, black has
other alternatives as well. But none of them turn out well.} a6 (18... a5 19.
b5 {And black is being smothered on the queen side.}) (18... dxc5 19. bxc5 a6
20. Rb1 {with serious pressure on the black queen side.}) 19. a4 dxc5 20. bxc5
Na5 21. Ba3 {and the white c-and d-pawns pose serious problems for black.})
18... Nxb2 {The knight, isolated from the rest of its army, exchanges itself
for the bishop on b2. This has the drawback of allowing the white knight to
gain access to c4. Huebner suggests a variation that is probably superior.} (
18... Kh7 {Removing the king from the a2-g8 diagonal. There are no threats
along that diagonal now, but white may safely anticipate being able to use it
in the future.} 19. Nf2 Nxb2 20. Qxb2 Qd7 {Preparing to reinforce the c-file
in anticipation of white treating pawns on d6 and making a forceful entry on
the c-file. White is unquestionably better here. But this line provide
stiffer resistance for black by moving the knight offsides and putting the
queen on b2. Unlike the knight, the queen cannot make immediate use of that c4
square. Black is not so much improving his own position as making it difficult
for white to improve his position.}) 19. Nxb2 Qd7 20. Nc4 {Putting the knight
on square like this is in keeping with general principles. But it also serves
a concrete good. The d6 pawn is a potential weakness. In addition, white might
play something like Na5 at some point to target the b-pawn, which will have
difficulty advancing to get out of the line of fire. For example:} Rf7 {
As Huebner notes, black is trying to create counter play on the king side.} 21.
a4 {Huebner notes that White was preparing for Nb4. Huebner should know what
he was thinking, but it bears noting that the move grabs control of additional
space and could be used to prepare a pawn storm designed to control a passed
pawn on the queen side or simply to restrain any future attempts by black to
advance on the queen side.} Raf8 22. Qd3 ({Huebner questions} 22. Nb5 dxc5 23.
d6 $1 {is a serious improvement that fits with what is coming in the game.} (
23. bxc5 fxe4 {This is Huebner's analysis that would allow black to free up
his position and surrender much of the white advantage.}) 23... cxd6 24. Nbxd6
Rf6 25. bxc5 {and now white has a clear, massive advantage.}) 22... h5 ({
Preparing to play . . . f4. Doing so immediately would not get black anywhere.
} 22... f4 23. g4 h5 24. g5 {And the kingside lines are locking up.}) 23. Nb5
dxc5 (23... Nc8 24. cxd6 cxd6 25. exf5 Qxf5 {Presto change-o. The game is
suddenly much improved for black who, while still an underdog, is nowhere near
as bad off as he was a few moves ago.}) 24. bxc5 a6 (24... fxe4 25. fxe4 Rxf1
26. Rxf1 Rxf1 27. Kxf1 {Found by both Huebner and me — although Huebner does
continue the analysis longer than I did. White retains an edge here, but with
the heavy pieces off the board, and with knights on both sides, it's really
hard to say whether white has enough of an edge to win.}) 25. Nc3 f4 (25...
fxe4 26. Qxe4 (26. fxe4 Rxf1 27. Rxf1 Rxf1 28. Kxf1 {With play being similar
to the previous note. Again, unclear whether the advantage is enough to win.})
(26. Nxe4 Qxd5 27. Qxd5 Nxd5 {Again, unclear whether the white advantage is
enough to win.}) 26... Nf5 27. Rae1 {And again, black has gained much more
freedom. It is unclear whether White has enough advantage to win. I doubt that
it is enough.}) 26. d6 $1 {Very strong, and after this white probably has a
decisive advantage. But, there is a saying that the threat is stronger than
the execution. In this case, black cannot really stop the pawn push, but white
can take a little time to make it even stronger.} (26. Rad1 fxg3 27. hxg3 Kh7
28. d6 $1 Nc8) 26... g5 {Continuing to try to attack on the king side. But the
attack is just too slow.} 27. Rad1 (27. Nd5 Nxd5 28. Qxd5 c6 29. Qd3 g4 30. Nb6
Qe6 31. d7 Rd8 {would seem to still win, but not as quickly as the text}) 27...
Ng6 28. Nd5 g4 $6 (28... cxd6 29. Nxd6 Qxa4 30. Nxf7 Rxf7 {leads to a position
that white should win, but perhaps black holds out longer than the text.}) 29.
dxc7 Qe6 (29... Qxa4 30. Ndb6 Qc6 31. c8=Q Rxc8 32. Nxc8 Qxc8 33. Nd6 {should
be decisive in favor of white.}) 30. Nd6 fxg3 31. Nxf7 (31. hxg3 Rxf3 {passes
up the opportunity for the decisive stroke in the text.}) 31... gxf3+ 32. Kxg3
(32. Rxf3 Nh4+ 33. Kh1 g2+ 34. Kg1 Nxf3+ 35. Qxf3 Rxf7 36. Ne7+ Rxe7 37. Rd8+
Re8 38. Rxe8+ Qxe8 39. Qf5 {and the pawn cannot be stopped from queening.})
32... Qg4+ 33. Kf2 Rxf7 {The threat here is} 34. Ke1 ({The threat is to draw
by perpetual check} 34. -- Qh4+ 35. Kg1 (35. Ke3 $4 {suddenly white is getting
mated.} Bh6+ 36. Nf4 Bxf4+ 37. Kxf3 Qg4+ 38. Kf2 Bd2+ 39. Qf3 Rxf3+ 40. Ke2
Qg2+ 41. Rf2 Qxf2#) 35... Qg4+ 36. Kf2 Qh4+ {with a draw.}) ({Huebner
recommends} 34. Ne3 Qh4+ 35. Kg1 Rxc7 (35... f2+ 36. Kh1 Rxc7 37. Nf5 Qg5 38.
Rxf2 {Huebner's analysis is that the threat of Rg1 is lethal. I agree,
although that threat may not be executed immediately.}) 36. Rxf3 (36. Nf5 $2
Qg5+ 37. Ng3 h4 38. Qd8+ Qxd8 39. Rxd8+ Bf8 40. Nf5 {And white retains a
strong edge, but black may have some chance to save the game here.}) 36... Rxc5
37. Nf5 {Huebner's analysis, which I agree with, is that white wins.}) 34...
Bh6 35. Nb6 {Taking the rook away from protecting the pawn on f3.} Rxc7 36.
Qxf3 Qxf3 (36... Qh4+ 37. Rf2 Bf4 38. Rd6 Kh7 39. Nd7 {Huebner analyzes this
far and then notes that white's job will be easy. Here is an example of how
the game might finish.} a5 40. Qb3 Qe7 (40... Kg7 41. Rxg6+ Kxg6 42. Qb6+ {
Picks up the rook, but is not the strongest move.}) 41. Nf6+) 37. Rxf3 Rxc5 38.
Rd8+ Kg7 (38... Nf8 39. Nd7 Rc1+ 40. Kf2 Rc2+ 41. Kf1 (41. Kg3 Bf4+ 42. Rxf4
exf4+ 43. Kxf4 Rf2+ 44. Kg3 Rf7 45. Rxf8+ Rxf8 46. Nxf8 Kxf8 {With a won king
and pawn in game for white. The subtlety here is that white must play} 47. Kh4
$4 {turns this into a loss for white because after} b5 {The white king cannot
get over to the queen side fast enough to stop the black pawns.}) 41... Rd2 42.
Nf6+ Kg7 43. Nxh5+ Kg6 44. Rxd2 Bxd2 45. Rxf8 Kxh5 {And this looks like a
white win.}) 39. Rd7+ Kg8 40. Rf6 Rc1+ 41. Rd1 Rxd1+ 42. Kxd1 Kg7 43. Rd6 Bf4 (
43... Be3 {accomplishes nothing because of} 44. Nd5) 44. h3 Bg3 45. Nd5 b5 46.
a5 1-0

 

 

 

Selene_Moonlightsail
Selene_Moonlightsail

All I did was delete the fields in brackets at the top starting with [Annotatir "Angie"] Then backspaced the beginning of the number 1. d4 Nf6 so that they were directly under the last field in your header bracketed fields and the reason is because the fields I see going in to the pgn editor on here don't include things like [Annotator] or [Source Code]. I probably did not have to delete the [ECO ] field bilut I did because I noticed when I input my PGN files I always have to re-fill in the ECO (which I would have done had I jotted it down..I just didn't remember it as I was inputting. I also noticed that when I pasted your posted text into the pgn editor that the very top left first bracket had been missed possibly by me or some copy paste glitch) but I knrlew the first field of the PGN always starts with a bracket so I added it when I saw it missing. I would try to do the same thing as I did just now Angie and then fill in the blanks (like the ECO that you see available to fill in the individual. Section once you have pasted the text into this sites pgn editor. Then..It's up to you but I often add that I Analyzed and Annotated a game in the [Events ] field - If you want since at least I know that always works fine) -- for example, Fischer vs Spassky World Championship Match Annotated/Analyzed by Angie] sort of thing or in one of the other fields if you want as long as there is a Bracket [ to start it and bracket ] to finish the field. It's a very cool Annotation Angie! Great work and I hope this helps 💕💗

Selene_Moonlightsail

One more thing, I believe the reason this pgn works on other sites and not here is that there are actually different types of pgn files (I am not totally sure of this but I believe that is the case. The point of this is that as long as you keep the fields simple before you input the pgn it itself (or just after you pasted it in the pgn box (where you paste it) then just before you hit continue you can scroll around the pgn to the top and bottom looking for non-conforming pgn area (like a missing bracket or a field that normally is not in a simple pgn file like [Annotator] or [Source Code by] ..The other standard fields like [Event] are part of the usual pgn file but those other fields I believe are why you were having problems pasting in the file..then trying to edit or just post it. As soon as you paste the text into the pgn box, I would scroll around looking for those things I mentioned. Then when you click continue all of that text will immediately appear in the next editing window..If nothing appears then go back and check the file again for those things (especially the very first bracket [ which I noticed sometimes doesn't get grabbed when we thought we had it) and so forth, Then when you click continue all of your text should immediately appear and as you check all of the available editing tools and I usually like to use the focus feature on many games then just click in the next >> tab..You will be able to manually enter data like your name and the ECO code into those fields and edit them as desired. In the last field that you come to there is an option o the far top right to "Show Coordinate s" which I constantly forget to check as the default setting is not to show them so you will need to check that box at the last minute and select the color nd style of the pieces and board you want. If you take over twenty minutes to do these things as  have in the past when I first started out the post may time out in effect so nothing will show because of the extended waiting period expiring before you hit save/preview and so forth. I hope this was helpful. Let me know if you have any other problems with posting your very cool pgn files 💕💗

Selene_Moonlightsail

Oh..I just noticed that pasted pgn file of mine works properly but runs out at move 12. This may be a memory/space capacity area for the editor tool itself but I have feeling it was more a case of my little handheld Android not having the total capacity to hold the huge amount of data in the pgn file. If you use a desktop or similar it should all go in and paste to the final move despit it being a very large pgn file compared to most that I've seen, All though many are very large files as yours so it really should work with the full capacity. Good luck 💗💕

Selene_Moonlightsail

These brackets (  ) are for variations of moves to my knowledge wher these { } brackets are normally for text. I know where we start a move or variation with ( then it must be closed with ) and not closed with } and the usual format I see it something like ( 12.e5 Nf6 {text is written possibly here but must be closed with the following bracket}) Notice that where there is a ( move bracket then you can have text in the { } brackets but then it will cause a glitch if the final move bracket )  has not re-closed the move and the text..so it is possible as well that a bracket is not in place where it should be following those types of programming rules. I wish I was an expert on pgn formatting but I'm not, I know a little from here and there. See if you spit anything and I will look at that area again where it got cut off either because my Android clip board copy capacity or possibly because a bracket is not placed accurately right where it cuts off. Take care. 💕💗

Selene_Moonlightsail

13. Nd4 Re8 {Covering the e7
square to prevent ideas like} (13... -- 14. Nd5 {and} -- 15. Ne7+) 14. f3 Nc6
15. Nc2 ({Fritz suggests} 15. Nxc6

 I'm not an expert on pgn data but what it looks like to me at move 13..  -

See the two dashes --   That is a symbol to my knowledge of a null (empty) move that someone accidently inserted is what it looks like to me...as if maybe a move belongs there that was going to be inserted later but never was or the move somehow got deleted as pgn files are known to be very unstable creatures unfortunately. This is why they have pgn file cleaning utilities which we use to clean all of our pgn files of containing any variations or text annotations before we actually create a database of pgn chess game files. Those types of mass pgn game files are intentionally clean pgn files and they are both supposed to contain any text annotations or even variations since they can and iften have become unstable in chess pgn databases. I was recently checking out a YouTube video where a guy demonstrates how to create or edit on opening book file for his computer engine. I was researching the book.bin file at the time trying to figure out why thry selected a third choice (not even based on a highest evaluated continuation) variation of one of the Scotch openings and then I realized I could actually edit that book.bin file as desired to have the engine play the more accurate opening variations as well and so forth and that is where the gentleman reminded me of why we clean the pgn files before filling them all into a mass storage area together. I would recommend you back up all of your annotated files in a separate area somewhere and that you keep your annotated games like that one together but separated so that only your annited games are in a custom single database as they are the most unstable because they contain so many variations and text notations and so forth. I would have that group of files all backed up separately somewhere else for safe keeping in the event one of your annotated PGN files with variations becomes unstable in the future do you can delete the bad file and paste a fresh copy of it back where it was in a separate database made just for your annotated games. I hope all of my silly bantering helps. 💕💗

camter

Noted

Selene_Moonlightsail
Selene_Moonlightsail

It is a glitch in the annotation between moves 12 and 13. All I did was delete the small annotation that contains the --  -- those null (missing) moves. Now, The whole file plays and it has nothing to do with the file size as I just did this with the clipboard of pasting to my little Android. If I knew what those moves were supposed to be I could insert them in the text before I actually use this sites pgn editor to convert the text into a on file. I once again deleted the [Annotator] and remaining feilds below it -- Well, Here it is still in my clipboard so you can check the difference from your original copy above:

[Event "Parcetic Memorial 4th"]

[Site "Sombor"]

[Date "1970.??.??"]

[Round "12"]

[White "Huebner, Robert"]

[Black "Podgaets, Mikhail"]

[Result "1-0"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 {A positional treatment of the King's Indian. The

King's Indian Defense invites white to setup a strong center. Black then makes

a target of it. This move declares that white is in no hurry to setup that

center.} Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 d6 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. O-O Bf5 8. b3 Qc8 (8... Ne4 {

is the most common move in this position. The mainline continues} 9. Bb2 Nxc3

10. Bxc3 Be4 11. Qd2) 9. Bb2 Bh3 10. e4 (10. Bxh3 $6 Qxh3 {would be dubious

because of the weakened white squares around the white king. The text puts the

king to work covering those same squares. The loss of the fianchetto bishop is

not such a great loss given that the h1-a8 diagonal will be closed.}) ({

Huebner assesses that after} 10. d5 Nb4 {the black knight is badly out of play.

Fritz disagrees and actually thinks that this is not half bad for black. But

I'm with Huebner on this one. After} 11. a3 Na6 12. b4 {Fritz wants to play}

Nb8 {I agree that's the best move in the position. But why not play it back on

move 10? By delaying until now, black has allowed white some extra time to

kick around the night while grabbing a substantial space advantage in the

process.}) 10... Bxg2 11. Kxg2 {As noted previously, the white king covers the

weak light square.} e5 12. d5 (12. dxe5 Nxe5 13. Nd4 Re8 14. f3 Nc6

15. Nc2 ({Fritz suggests} 15. Nxc6 {as a possible improvement. But after} bxc6

16. Na4 Qa6 {it is hard to see why this really improves the position for white.

Black seems solid. The doubled c-pawns cannot readily be exploited by white.})

15... Nd7 {and Huebner has a passive, but solid, position. I agree.}) 12... Ne7

({Huebner recommends} 12... Nd4 {As equalizing. But after} 13. Nxd4 exd4 14.

Qxd4 Re8 15. Qd2 Nxe4 16. Nxe4 Rxe4 17. Rae1 (17. Bxg7 Kxg7 18. Rfe1 Qf5 19.

Rxe4 Qxe4+ 20. f3 (20. Kg1 Re8 21. Qa5 b6 22. Qxa7 Re7 23. Qa3 Qd4 {Huebner's

final position, which he assesses as equal. While I agree with the assessment,

I believe that black's play can be improved on.}) 20... Qf5 (20... Qe5 21. Re1

Qf6 22. Qe3 {and white gains an advantage due to control over the e-file.}) (

20... Qe7 21. Re1 Qd7 22. Qd4+ Kg8 (22... Kf8 $4 23. Qh8#) 23. Qe3 Kf8 24. h4 (

24. Qh6+ Kg8 25. Qe3 Kf8 {is a possible draw by repetition.}) 24... Re8 25.

Qxe8+ Qxe8 26. Rxe8+ Kxe8 {with an advantageous pawn ending for white. White's

extra space will make it difficult for black to create a passed pawn. White

will have space to maneuver and opportunity to create and exploit the holes in

black's pawn structure.}) (20... Qe8 21. Re1 Qd7 {would continue as above in

variation in A2.}) 21. Re1 {leaves a slight advantage for white because white

controls the e-file.}) 17... Qe8 18. Rxe4 Qxe4+ 19. f3 Qf5 20. Re1 {and again

White seems to have a slight edge based on possession of the e-file.}) (12...

Nb8 {tries rerouting the knight to target c5.} 13. Ne1 (13. Qe2 Re8 14. Ne1

Nbd7 15. Nd3 (15. b4 a5 16. a3 c6 {and black begins hitting back against the

white center. White has a space advantage, but is overextended. This position

seems roughly equal.}) 15... a6 (15... b6 16. Bc1 Nc5 17. Nxc5 bxc5 18. Bg5 h6

{and White has more active pieces whereas black's simply have very little to

do.}) 16. Bc1 b6 17. f3 Nc5 18. Nxc5 bxc5 19. g4 {and white is beginning to

have attacking prospects, which give him an advantage. By the way, g4 is an

obvious move to a human (or at least this one). But the only engine that sees

it is Stockfish 8. Houdini 4, Stockfish 7, and Fritz all disagree with me on

this.}) 13... a5 14. Nd3 Na6 15. f3 Nd7 16. Qd2 f5 {and white's edge is very

slight. Black is able to slow down any white action on the queen side through

control of b4 and c5 and begins thematic action against the white queen side.})

13. Qe2 Nd7 14. b4 h6 {A necessary prelude to ... f5. In response to an

immediate ... f5, white could play} (14... f5 15. Ng5 fxe4 16. Ne6) 15. Ne1 {

Huebner recommends transferring the knight to b3 by way of d2 as slightly more

accurate. I doubt it. For example:} (15. Nd2 a5 (15... f5 16. f3 -- 17. Nb3 {

is Heubner's analysis. He views it as quashing black's counterplay. I see no

improvement compared to my analysis.}) 16. a3 {This seems to be one of those

positions where computers have trouble finding things to do. Fritz and

Stockfish both come up with Kh7 or Kh8 for black for reasons that are unclear.}

(16. b5 $6 {and the black knight has a cozy square on c5.}) (16. bxa5 Rxa5 17.

Nb3 {seems to surrender the white edge. The a-pawn will be a long term

weakness. The c5 square will be a nice home for the black knight. White gains

nothing significant in exchange.}) 16... c6 17. Nb3 a4 {Now what?}) 15... f5 ({

Huebner suggests the following variation for black and assesses it as nearly

equalizing.} 15... a5 16. a3 axb4 17. axb4 Rxa1 18. Bxa1 c6 19. c5 (19. Nc2

cxd5 20. cxd5 Qd8 {would seem a small improvement for white, bringing the

knight on the e1 into the game quite quickly.}) 19... Qb8 {still seems better

for white. I actually think that ... f5 may be black's best move in this

position. Aside from the fact that it is thematic in the Kings Indian defense

for black to open lines on the king side with an f5 pawn thrust, black also

has the difficulty here of lacking space, having his Queen awkwardly placed on

c8, and is at risk of being slowly smothered for lack of counter play. 15 ...

f5 seems like the best attempt to open those king sidelines and begin to seek

counter play.}) 16. Nd3 (16. f3 {is a passive attempt to defend the center}

fxe4 (16... f4 17. c5 (17. gxf4 exf4 {and black is gaining open lines that

allow for possibilities of more open play.}) 17... dxc5 18. bxc5 {and White

has clear superiority largely based on his space advantage in the center and

the advancement potential of the c- and d- ponds.} Nxc5 $2 19. Qc4 {threatening

} -- 20. d6+) 17. fxe4 (17. Nxe4 Nf6 18. Nxf6+ Bxf6 (18... Rxf6 $2 19. f4) 19.

f4 Nf5 20. fxe5 dxe5 21. g4 Nh4+ 22. Kh3 {and white has a clear initiative.}) (

17. Qxe4 Nf5 18. Nc2 c5 19. b5 Nf6 {and the initiative seems to have switched

to black.}) 17... Rxf1 18. Qxf1 a5 {with increasing counterplay for black.} (

18... Qf8)) 16... Nb6 (16... a5 17. b5 (17. a3 axb4 18. axb4 Rxa1 19. Rxa1 fxe4

20. Nxe4 b5) 17... c6 (17... b6 18. f3 f4 19. a4 (19. gxf4 exf4 {and now the

black bishop on g7, up to now not an active participant in the proceedings,

suddenly is quite strong along the a1-h8 diagonal.}) 19... g5 {with a

slight-side initiative for black. But I do not think that it is ultimately

dangerous to white at this point. It looks headed toward equilibrium with

minimal open lines on both sides.}) 18. bxc6 bxc6 19. Ba3 (19. dxc6 Qxc6 {

and suddenly black has gained an edge. Whites queen side looks vulnerable.})

19... c5 (19... cxd5 20. Nxd5 Nxd5 21. cxd5 {seems roughly equal.}) 20. f3 Nb6

21. Nf2 {seems, if anything, advantageous to black. At a minimum, the black

pieces are getting into the game quite quickly. White, on the other hand, is

playing reactively rather than proactively. The closing lines on the queen

side make it hard for white to accomplish much there. The white pieces really

are not positioned for king side action.}) 17. c5 Nc4 (17... Nd7 {It is always

psychologically difficult to undo your previous move. In this case, it would

have at least offered equal chances to the text. Play might have continued:}

18. f3 a6 19. a4 Nf6 20. b5 axb5 21. Nxb5 Qd7 22. Rfc1 Rfc8 23. Rc4 {with a

growing advantage for white.}) 18. f3 {Both reinforcing the center and

preparing to evict the black knight with a future Nf2.} (18. Bc1 {Looks

tempting. But, as Huebner points out, the knight cannot be trapped. (His

analysis is too lengthy to quote) but the move may, nonetheless, be good for

other reasons. Notably Huebner only evaluates . . . a5. However, black has

other alternatives as well. But none of them turn out well.} a6 (18... a5 19.

b5 {And black is being smothered on the queen side.}) (18... dxc5 19. bxc5 a6

20. Rb1 {with serious pressure on the black queen side.}) 19. a4 dxc5 20. bxc5

Na5 21. Ba3 {and the white c-and d-pawns pose serious problems for black.})

18... Nxb2 {The knight, isolated from the rest of its army, exchanges itself

for the bishop on b2. This has the drawback of allowing the white knight to

gain access to c4. Huebner suggests a variation that is probably superior.} (

18... Kh7 {Removing the king from the a2-g8 diagonal. There are no threats

along that diagonal now, but white may safely anticipate being able to use it

in the future.} 19. Nf2 Nxb2 20. Qxb2 Qd7 {Preparing to reinforce the c-file

in anticipation of white treating pawns on d6 and making a forceful entry on

the c-file. White is unquestionably better here. But this line provide

stiffer resistance for black by moving the knight offsides and putting the

queen on b2. Unlike the knight, the queen cannot make immediate use of that c4

square. Black is not so much improving his own position as making it difficult

for white to improve his position.}) 19. Nxb2 Qd7 20. Nc4 {Putting the knight

on square like this is in keeping with general principles. But it also serves

a concrete good. The d6 pawn is a potential weakness. In addition, white might

play something like Na5 at some point to target the b-pawn, which will have

difficulty advancing to get out of the line of fire. For example:} Rf7 {

As Huebner notes, black is trying to create counter play on the king side.} 21.

a4 {Huebner notes that White was preparing for Nb4. Huebner should know what

he was thinking, but it bears noting that the move grabs control of additional

space and could be used to prepare a pawn storm designed to control a passed

pawn on the queen side or simply to restrain any future attempts by black to

advance on the queen side.} Raf8 22. Qd3 ({Huebner questions} 22. Nb5 dxc5 23.

d6 $1 {is a serious improvement that fits with what is coming in the game.} (

23. bxc5 fxe4 {This is Huebner's analysis that would allow black to free up

his position and surrender much of the white advantage.}) 23... cxd6 24. Nbxd6

Rf6 25. bxc5 {and now white has a clear, massive advantage.}) 22... h5 ({

Preparing to play . . . f4. Doing so immediately would not get black anywhere.

} 22... f4 23. g4 h5 24. g5 {And the kingside lines are locking up.}) 23. Nb5

dxc5 (23... Nc8 24. cxd6 cxd6 25. exf5 Qxf5 {Presto change-o. The game is

suddenly much improved for black who, while still an underdog, is nowhere near

as bad off as he was a few moves ago.}) 24. bxc5 a6 (24... fxe4 25. fxe4 Rxf1

26. Rxf1 Rxf1 27. Kxf1 {Found by both Huebner and me — although Huebner does

continue the analysis longer than I did. White retains an edge here, but with

the heavy pieces off the board, and with knights on both sides, it's really

hard to say whether white has enough of an edge to win.}) 25. Nc3 f4 (25...

fxe4 26. Qxe4 (26. fxe4 Rxf1 27. Rxf1 Rxf1 28. Kxf1 {With play being similar

to the previous note. Again, unclear whether the advantage is enough to win.})

(26. Nxe4 Qxd5 27. Qxd5 Nxd5 {Again, unclear whether the white advantage is

enough to win.}) 26... Nf5 27. Rae1 {And again, black has gained much more

freedom. It is unclear whether White has enough advantage to win. I doubt that

it is enough.}) 26. d6 $1 {Very strong, and after this white probably has a

decisive advantage. But, there is a saying that the threat is stronger than

the execution. In this case, black cannot really stop the pawn push, but white

can take a little time to make it even stronger.} (26. Rad1 fxg3 27. hxg3 Kh7

28. d6 $1 Nc8) 26... g5 {Continuing to try to attack on the king side. But the

attack is just too slow.} 27. Rad1 (27. Nd5 Nxd5 28. Qxd5 c6 29. Qd3 g4 30. Nb6

Qe6 31. d7 Rd8 {would seem to still win, but not as quickly as the text}) 27...

Ng6 28. Nd5 g4 $6 (28... cxd6 29. Nxd6 Qxa4 30. Nxf7 Rxf7 {leads to a position

that white should win, but perhaps black holds out longer than the text.}) 29.

dxc7 Qe6 (29... Qxa4 30. Ndb6 Qc6 31. c8=Q Rxc8 32. Nxc8 Qxc8 33. Nd6 {should

be decisive in favor of white.}) 30. Nd6 fxg3 31. Nxf7 (31. hxg3 Rxf3 {passes

up the opportunity for the decisive stroke in the text.}) 31... gxf3+ 32. Kxg3

(32. Rxf3 Nh4+ 33. Kh1 g2+ 34. Kg1 Nxf3+ 35. Qxf3 Rxf7 36. Ne7+ Rxe7 37. Rd8+

Re8 38. Rxe8+ Qxe8 39. Qf5 {and the pawn cannot be stopped from queening.})

32... Qg4+ 33. Kf2 Rxf7 {The threat here is} 34. Ke1 ({The threat is to draw

by perpetual check} 34. -- Qh4+ 35. Kg1 (35. Ke3 $4 {suddenly white is getting

mated.} Bh6+ 36. Nf4 Bxf4+ 37. Kxf3 Qg4+ 38. Kf2 Bd2+ 39. Qf3 Rxf3+ 40. Ke2

Qg2+ 41. Rf2 Qxf2#) 35... Qg4+ 36. Kf2 Qh4+ {with a draw.}) ({Huebner

recommends} 34. Ne3 Qh4+ 35. Kg1 Rxc7 (35... f2+ 36. Kh1 Rxc7 37. Nf5 Qg5 38.

Rxf2 {Huebner's analysis is that the threat of Rg1 is lethal. I agree,

although that threat may not be executed immediately.}) 36. Rxf3 (36. Nf5 $2

Qg5+ 37. Ng3 h4 38. Qd8+ Qxd8 39. Rxd8+ Bf8 40. Nf5 {And white retains a

strong edge, but black may have some chance to save the game here.}) 36... Rxc5

37. Nf5 {Huebner's analysis, which I agree with, is that white wins.}) 34...

Bh6 35. Nb6 {Taking the rook away from protecting the pawn on f3.} Rxc7 36.

Qxf3 Qxf3 (36... Qh4+ 37. Rf2 Bf4 38. Rd6 Kh7 39. Nd7 {Huebner analyzes this

far and then notes that white's job will be easy. Here is an example of how

the game might finish.} a5 40. Qb3 Qe7 (40... Kg7 41. Rxg6+ Kxg6 42. Qb6+ {

Picks up the rook, but is not the strongest move.}) 41. Nf6+) 37. Rxf3 Rxc5 38.

Rd8+ Kg7 (38... Nf8 39. Nd7 Rc1+ 40. Kf2 Rc2+ 41. Kf1 (41. Kg3 Bf4+ 42. Rxf4

exf4+ 43. Kxf4 Rf2+ 44. Kg3 Rf7 45. Rxf8+ Rxf8 46. Nxf8 Kxf8 {With a won king

and pawn in game for white. The subtlety here is that white must play} 47. Kh4

$4 {turns this into a loss for white because after} b5 {The white king cannot

get over to the queen side fast enough to stop the black pawns.}) 41... Rd2 42.

Nf6+ Kg7 43. Nxh5+ Kg6 44. Rxd2 Bxd2 45. Rxf8 Kxh5 {And this looks like a

white win.}) 39. Rd7+ Kg8 40. Rf6 Rc1+ 41. Rd1 Rxd1+ 42. Kxd1 Kg7 43. Rd6 Bf4 (

43... Be3 {accomplishes nothing because of} 44. Nd5) 44. h3 Bg3 45. Nd5 b5 46.

a5 1-0

 
Selene_Moonlightsail

I simply typed in the E62 as the ECO and I noticed the players ranks are missing as this seems not to want to paste with my files either so I often jot those few items down and then once I'm editing the pgn file I just type them in the corresponding fields using this sites pgn editor. I hope this helps 💕💗 Take care :)

Selene_Moonlightsail

Yikes! It only pasted up to move 15 now :( What a pain :( ...I will have to scan in that area now as time allows but the file is not completely incompatible as you can see. It's just a matter of finding the problem areas in the file as I don't recognize some of that formatting in the pgn files that I've studied and created over the years. Take care. 💕

Selene_Moonlightsail

See, The file is missing moves where ever you see the double dashes -- anywhere -- those are supposed to have moves in those spots as you will notice the last pgn which I edited went further but then stopped at this point where there is a null (missing) move:

15. Nd2 a5 (15... f5 16. f3 -- 17. Nb3 {

is Heubner's analysis. He views it as squashing black's counterplay. I see no

improvement compared to my analysis.}) 16. a3 {This seems to be one of those

 

After 16.f3 there is a --    which means a move should be typed in there as well as in some other areas of this pgn file Angie - That's what's going on with it -- the null (missing) moves must be filled in with what you want those moves to be 💕💗

SirIvanhoe

The main problem appears to be that null moves are not currently supported in the PGN with the viewer. I'm not sure if this has always been or is a change. There may possibly be other issues, but this is the first that I was able to verify with a test. Have your previous pgn's ever had null moves in them as in this case? (I also frequently use null moves in pgn's as it's a great way for example to convey a threat in the position.) You can report this issue and request that the null moves be allowed by sending a message here: https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/emails/new

 

Thanks, and I hope this helps.

Selene_Moonlightsail
SirIvanhoe wrote:

The main problem appears to be that null moves are not currently supported in the PGN with the viewer. I'm not sure if this has always been or is a change. There may possibly be other issues, but this is the first that I was able to verify with a test. Have your previous pgn's ever had null moves in them as in this case? (I also frequently use null moves in pgn's as it's a great way for example to convey a threat in the position.) You can report this issue and request that the null moves be allowed by sending a message here: https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/emails/new

 

Thanks, and I hope this helps.

 

Agreed. You could also just fill in those null  --  moves with actual moves (for example, with moves your engine says are good) to make the examples of threats or simple variations more clear in the meantime ❤