Is your Ip safe in Chess.com?

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MGleason
JijoAttumalilJose wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

It's an internet site, so there is always the possibility someone could find your IP.

It's not 100% safe on chess.com, but of course i doubt the chess.com staff would admit this. 

There are still the standard problems of people sending you otherwise safe links that actually take you to a website that uncovers ur data and gives it to the person u sent the link to.

This actually happened to me on chess.com like 4-5 years ago, back when i didnt know about this. 

Bottom line, don't assume anything on the internet is safe, because it's not. Your computer, your IP, your programs, all are data that exists on your hard drive, or on your phone if ur using that, it can always be accessed by someone who has the tools.

 

Don't be stupid.

 

What are those 'tools'? Can you tell us some of them?

It seems you have a good idea about those 'tools'. Please tell us also. We want to learn new things.

In general, other people can only access your computer if you do something that allows them to do so.  Click on a link, open an attachment, etc.

IsraeliGal
JijoAttumalilJose wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

It's an internet site, so there is always the possibility someone could find your IP.

It's not 100% safe on chess.com, but of course i doubt the chess.com staff would admit this. 

There are still the standard problems of people sending you otherwise safe links that actually take you to a website that uncovers ur data and gives it to the person u sent the link to.

This actually happened to me on chess.com like 4-5 years ago, back when i didnt know about this. 

Bottom line, don't assume anything on the internet is safe, because it's not. Your computer, your IP, your programs, all are data that exists on your hard drive, or on your phone if ur using that, it can always be accessed by someone who has the tools.

 

Don't be stupid.

 

What are those 'tools'? Can you tell us some of them?

It seems you have a good idea about those 'tools'. Please tell us also. We want to learn new things.

I'm not a hacker so I don't know what tools exactly are normally used, but the basics are things I mentioned, like ip grabber links disguised as innocent sounding links. 

There are many other things someone could do, as i'm not a professional hacker nor am i part of the chess.com staff code team, i don't know what the setup of this chess site is, or how much a hacker with the best tools could access, but I'd imagine it's a lot like these recent problems people have had online where millions of bank accounts have been leaked, or peoples ID or account details to certain websites like Amazon etc have been leaked. 

 

Always air on the side of caution on the internet. You have to remember the internet is a place that is connected to the whole world. Anyone can access it, and anyone can access your information. It's all out there, it just depends if someone is able to access it or not.

 

Martin_Stahl
Soniasthetics wrote:

It's an internet site, so there is always the possibility someone could find your IP.

It's not 100% safe on chess.com, but of course i doubt the chess.com staff would admit this. 

There are still the standard problems of people sending you otherwise safe links that actually take you to a website that uncovers ur data and gives it to the person u sent the link to.

This actually happened to me on chess.com like 4-5 years ago, back when i didnt know about this. 

Bottom line, don't assume anything on the internet is safe, because it's not. Your computer, your IP, your programs, all are data that exists on your hard drive, or on your phone if ur using that, it can always be accessed by someone who has the tools.

 

Don't be stupid.

 

 

Receiving a link to an outside site is something that should always be something any person should be wary of. The only way to stop that from the site's perspective is just not to allow any links that are not on chess.com itself and that isn't something that is likely.

 

I don't believe anyone on staff would claim that things like that are not possible. However, just using the site and not clicking links to other sites, isn't going to reveal your IP address to another member.

IsraeliGal
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

It's an internet site, so there is always the possibility someone could find your IP.

It's not 100% safe on chess.com, but of course i doubt the chess.com staff would admit this. 

There are still the standard problems of people sending you otherwise safe links that actually take you to a website that uncovers ur data and gives it to the person u sent the link to.

This actually happened to me on chess.com like 4-5 years ago, back when i didnt know about this. 

Bottom line, don't assume anything on the internet is safe, because it's not. Your computer, your IP, your programs, all are data that exists on your hard drive, or on your phone if ur using that, it can always be accessed by someone who has the tools.

 

Don't be stupid.

 

 

Receiving a link to an outside site is something that should always be something any person should be wary of. The only way to stop that from the site's perspective is just not to allow any links that are not on chess.com itself and that isn't something that is likely.

 

I don't believe anyone on staff would claim that things like that are not possible. However, just using the site and not clicking links to other sites, isn't going to reveal your IP address to another member.

I was answering the OP's thread question.

You haven't proven someones IP is safe on chess.com.

It's not relevant if it's a link that goes outside chess.com, the point is that threat still exists. Plus I mentioned in my last post that many prominent websites have had massive leaks and hacks, and this is possible for chess.com as well. 

 

 

Martin_Stahl
Soniasthetics wrote:

I was answering the OP's thread question.

You haven't proven someones IP is safe on chess.com.

It's not relevant if it's a link that goes outside chess.com, the point is that threat still exists. Plus I mentioned in my last post that many prominent websites have had massive leaks and hacks, and this is possible for chess.com as well. 

 

 

 

Short of a penetration test on the site, that isn't something easily proved, and even then, it's always possible something would get missed. If you are socially engineered to visit something outside of chess.com, then that is one thing. But there is nothing inherent in the way the site presents data to members that would expose connection details, including in Live chess where the clients don't ever connect to each other.


Could there be something out there? Maybe. Could the site get hacked to gain access to the data? It's possible but that is possible with anything online. If one finds that a major concern, then there are things like proxies and VPNs to insulate against that.

IsraeliGal
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

I was answering the OP's thread question.

You haven't proven someones IP is safe on chess.com.

It's not relevant if it's a link that goes outside chess.com, the point is that threat still exists. Plus I mentioned in my last post that many prominent websites have had massive leaks and hacks, and this is possible for chess.com as well. 

 

 

 

Short of a penetration test on the site, that isn't something easily proved, and even then, it's always possible something would get missed. If you are socially engineered to visit something outside of chess.com, then that is one thing. But there is nothing inherent in the way the site presents data to members that would expose connection details, including in Live chess where the clients don't ever connect to each other.


Could there be something out there? Maybe. Could the site get hacked to gain access to the data? It's possible but that is possible with anything online. If one finds that a major concern, then there are things like proxies and VPNs to insulate against that.

There you go, you started a redundant argument to eventually come to the conclusion i was right. 

 

Martin_Stahl
Soniasthetics wrote:

There you go, you started a redundant argument to eventually come to the conclusion i was right. 

 

 

Your IP here is as safe as anything is online. I was providing some additional context and trying to prevent scaremongering.

IsraeliGal

no u want to downplay how easy it is for someone to get someone elses info from chess.com. 

Martin_Stahl
Soniasthetics wrote:

no u want to downplay how easy it is for someone to get someone elses info from chess.com. 

 

It wouldn't be that easy, and getting scammed by social engineering isn't something chess.com can really prevent, as said, without major limits on what can be posted on site.

 

People that don't understand how the technology works, thinks hacking is easier than it is and don't need to make things seem worse than they actually are.

It's pretty simple.

  • Don't provide any information to other members on the site, that you aren't comfortable with anyone knowing.
  • Don't follow links if you don't trust where they may lead.
  • Your private information on site is secure as it would be on pretty much any major online site. Does that mean 100% secure and un-hackable? No; there is no such thing but it isn't as easy as many people think.
IsraeliGal
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

no u want to downplay how easy it is for someone to get someone elses info from chess.com. 

 

It wouldn't be that easy, and getting scammed by social engineering isn't something chess.com can really prevent, as said, without major limits on what can be posted on site.

 

People that don't understand how the technology works, thinks hacking is easier than it is and don't need to make things seem worse than they actually are.

It's pretty simple.

  • Don't provide any information to other members on the site, that you aren't comfortable with anyone knowing.
  • Don't follow links if you don't trust where they may lead.
  • Your private information on site is secure as it would be on pretty much any major online site. Does that mean 100% secure and un-hackable? No; there is no such thing but it isn't as easy as many people think.

if it wasn't that easy there wouldn't be numerous recent example of said hacking occurring on many website that have MORE, resources than chess.com. 

And actually, clicking a link that takes u to an external site on chess.com is much more easier than you're admitting, what with all the clubs, forums, invites, private msgs and club invites, Someone could easily hide malicious content within an otherwise innocent looking link on this site. 

 

It's much easier than ur admitting. 

 

Martin_Stahl
Soniasthetics wrote:

if it wasn't that easy there wouldn't be numerous recent example of said hacking occurring on many website that have MORE, resources than chess.com. 

And actually, clicking a link that takes u to an external site on chess.com is much more easier than you're admitting, what with all the clubs, forums, invites, private msgs and club invites, Someone could easily hide malicious content within an otherwise innocent looking link on this site. 

 

It's much easier than ur admitting. 

 

 

Again, being socially engineered into clicking a link to another site that exposes your information is not a weakness of chess.com. That is an education issue, not a technical issue.

 

The only way to stop something like that is to completely prevent any outside links. I guess the site could potentially add a forwarding warning, so that someone that does click one would first get a page warning that the link is taking them off-site. Maybe you could suggest that

IsraeliGal

I don't care to suggest it, because if someone has clicked that link regardless of a warning they will probably open it regardless. 

And again you're focusing on just one aspect of the problem. It's not just links. 

I think this site is vulnerable to hackers, I just don't think this has been displayed because chess.com is a site for a board game, so it's not very relevant or of use for someone to spend time to hack it. 

 

but to respond to the OP's post, no, it's not 100% safe, and there is reason to be cautious and alert. 

 

MGleason

Why do you think the site is vulnerable to hackers?  Sure, the theoretical possibility of a hack exists on any site, but chess.com presumably has professional-quality systems in place to defend against it, and if there had been a data breach they would be legally obligated to have let their members know.

IsraeliGal
MGleason wrote:

Why do you think the site is vulnerable to hackers?  Sure, the theoretical possibility of a hack exists on any site, but chess.com presumably has professional-quality systems in place to defend against it, and if there had been a data breach they would be legally obligated to have let their members know.

I gave the reason, evidently u didn't read. 

Chess.com doesn't have the resources some other much more prominent websites have, and if they can be hacked, chess.com is definitely more susceptible to it. 

 

IsraeliGal
MGleason wrote:

Why do you think the site is vulnerable to hackers?  Sure, the theoretical possibility of a hack exists on any site, but chess.com presumably has professional-quality systems in place to defend against it, and if there had been a data breach they would be legally obligated to have let their members know.

This site cant even deal with people constantly making accounts and bypassing IP bans by simply using a VPN.

I've found websites that make it much more difficult. 

If that simple thing chess.com can't do well, you really expect me to believe chess.com is anywhere near competent enough for something even more complicated like system or file hack?

 

duntcare
JijoAttumalilJose wrote:
tehanu wrote:
JijoAttumalilJose wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:

It's an internet site, so there is always the possibility someone could find your IP.

It's not 100% safe on chess.com, but of course i doubt the chess.com staff would admit this. 

There are still the standard problems of people sending you otherwise safe links that actually take you to a website that uncovers ur data and gives it to the person u sent the link to.

This actually happened to me on chess.com like 4-5 years ago, back when i didnt know about this. 

Bottom line, don't assume anything on the internet is safe, because it's not. Your computer, your IP, your programs, all are data that exists on your hard drive, or on your phone if ur using that, it can always be accessed by someone who has the tools.

 

Don't be stupid.

 

What are those 'tools'? Can you tell us some of them?

It seems you have a good idea about those 'tools'. Please tell us also. We want to learn new things.

Google up “ip grabber link”

 

no sites are safe

ip grabbers arent real unless its a token logger app or getdata, theres a ton of types of ips

most ip usage isnt even actualy useful

router and proxy stuff bla bla bla

u realize hacking is extremely hard right?

most hacks require a trojan and you would be extremely stupid to fall for a trojan unless its some send trojan or sth

then u could be doxxed but then you would be extremely iq to get doxxed unless its an actual invasion

duntcare
Soniasthetics wrote:
MGleason wrote:

Why do you think the site is vulnerable to hackers?  Sure, the theoretical possibility of a hack exists on any site, but chess.com presumably has professional-quality systems in place to defend against it, and if there had been a data breach they would be legally obligated to have let their members know.

This site cant even deal with people constantly making accounts and bypassing IP bans by simply using a VPN.

I've found websites that make it much more difficult. 

If that simple thing chess.com can't do well, you really expect me to believe chess.com is anywhere near competent enough for something even more complicated like system or file hack?

 

uh huh

many sites cant detect either just some have username mentioning

 

IsraeliGal
duntcare wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:
MGleason wrote:

Why do you think the site is vulnerable to hackers?  Sure, the theoretical possibility of a hack exists on any site, but chess.com presumably has professional-quality systems in place to defend against it, and if there had been a data breach they would be legally obligated to have let their members know.

This site cant even deal with people constantly making accounts and bypassing IP bans by simply using a VPN.

I've found websites that make it much more difficult. 

If that simple thing chess.com can't do well, you really expect me to believe chess.com is anywhere near competent enough for something even more complicated like system or file hack?

 

uh huh

many sites cant detect either just some have username mentioning

 

u dont know what ur talking about

 

MGleason
Soniasthetics wrote:
MGleason wrote:

Why do you think the site is vulnerable to hackers?  Sure, the theoretical possibility of a hack exists on any site, but chess.com presumably has professional-quality systems in place to defend against it, and if there had been a data breach they would be legally obligated to have let their members know.

I gave the reason, evidently u didn't read. 

Chess.com doesn't have the resources some other much more prominent websites have, and if they can be hacked, chess.com is definitely more susceptible to it. 

 

Chess.com also isn't as big of a target.  But even without being as big, there are professional-quality cyber-security systems that any business can put in place.

IsraeliGal
MGleason wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:
MGleason wrote:

Why do you think the site is vulnerable to hackers?  Sure, the theoretical possibility of a hack exists on any site, but chess.com presumably has professional-quality systems in place to defend against it, and if there had been a data breach they would be legally obligated to have let their members know.

I gave the reason, evidently u didn't read. 

Chess.com doesn't have the resources some other much more prominent websites have, and if they can be hacked, chess.com is definitely more susceptible to it. 

 

Chess.com also isn't as big of a target.  But even without being as big, there are professional-quality cyber-security systems that any business can put in place.

Yes, i mentioned before that chess.com wouldn't really be a big target, so its lucky in that sense. 

these professional "quality cyber security systems" can't even stop people from making an account on the site that use a cheap or possibly even free VPN. 

 

Yet u want us to believe chess.com, IF under attack by a knowledgable hacker would be able to take care of it.

 

Give me a break.