I don't think anyone misunderstands it, they simply disagree with it.
I have seen accusations (in this thread and many others) that playing speed chess here while on vacation is "vacation abuse". Those members making this accusation clearly do not understand the rules.
Thinking that it should be considered abuse does not justify saying that it is abuse, unless the person saying this thinks they can ignore the existing rules and make up their own.
The amount of impatience, whining and complaining in regards to a game based on patience is staggering. Also...read the site rules.
I don't think anyone misunderstands it, they simply disagree with it.
I have seen accusations (in this thread and many others) that playing speed chess here while on vacation is "vacation abuse". Those members making this accusation clearly do not understand the rules.
Thinking that it should be considered abuse does not justify saying that it is abuse, unless the person saying this thinks they can ignore the existing rules and make up their own.
No, they simply hold an opinion that is different from yours. That they consider it abuse doesn't not mean they don't understand that it's permitted by the site's rules. And to be honest I'm inclined to agree with them. If you find making one move every 3-6 days so tedious that you must take a break from it then do your opponents the courtesy of resigning the games. Vacation time ought to be for legit need, not simple because you can't be bothered to play out the games you agreed to.
No, they simply hold an opinion that is different from yours. That they consider it abuse doesn't not mean they don't understand that it's permitted by the site's rules. And to be honest I'm inclined to agree with them. If you find making one move every 3-6 days so tedious that you must take a break from it then do your opponents the courtesy of resigning the games. Vacation time ought to be for legit need, not simple because you can't be bothered to play out the games you agreed to.
Okay, I'll bite -- please tell us what the legitimate reasons are for going on vacation.
Also, if you don't mind, I would like to know your opinion on 2 questions:
1) Should vacation not be an option at all?
2) Is it abuse to log on to chess.com while on vacation?
Illness, inability to access the internet, having a particularly busy few days, etc, etc. What is not a legitimate use, as far as I am concerned, is using vacation time to avoid some games while playing others. It's discourteous at best, abusive at worst.
Illness, inability to access the internet, having a particularly busy few days, etc, etc. What is not a legitimate use, as far as I am concerned, is using vacation time to avoid some games while playing others. It's discourteous at best, abusive at worst.
And we know that vacation abuse happens, but what we dont know is the "why" people go on vacation. Its a bunch of ADD/ADHD, short attention span online chess players having a stroke over having to wait to get there precious onlne rating points.
Talk to me about "short attention span" when you've had someone hold up a game for nearly two months while continuing to log in every day.
As Coach_Leo pointed out:
Many members here misunderstand the rules about vacation. I'm just went on vacation because I desire a break from my 16 "daily" games (3 days per move). The rules still permit me to:
Is being temporarily mentally tired of deeply analysing (using only my 56-year-old brain) my correspondence games a legitimate reason to go on vacation for a week? I've invested weeks or months of my time and energy into these games. I don't want to ruin them due to poor focus. My average time per move is 8 hours 21 minutes (when I could have used the allowed 72 hours per move). So am I really abusing my correspondence opponents by playing a few sloppy blitz games to unwind? Note that none of my positions are lost (AFAIK). I'm not stalling, just tired. Is my vacation okay with you Darth, or should I be "courteous" and immediately resign all of my games?
I would like to announce right now that i will be on "vacation" October 20-25 to attend a chess tournament. While i will be logging in to chess.com during that time, I will not be analyzing, nor looking at my correspondance games. I hope this meets with everyones approval, and doesnt cause any undue accusations of holding anything up.
I object!
Please file your complaint at www.whineyimaptientonlinechessplayerswhoarerobbedoftherepreciousonlineratingpointsandyourpurposelyholdingupthegame.com
It is in tournaments that vacation time is at its worst. "No vacation" tournaments help a bit but often enough a tournament I would like to play in comes up and it allows vacations. What tends to happen is that three quarters of the field complete their games in timely fashion but the round cannot finish until someone decides their break has lasted long enough. A couple of times I have forgotten a tournament even exists because the delay has lasted a month or more.
Is being temporarily mentally tired of deeply analysing (using only my 56-year-old brain) my correspondence games a legitimate reason to go on vacation for a week? I've invested weeks or months of my time and energy into these games. I don't want to ruin them due to poor focus. My average time per move is 8 hours 21 minutes (when I could have used the allowed 72 hours per move). So am I really abusing my correspondence opponents by playing a few sloppy blitz games to unwind? Note that none of my positions are lost (AFAIK). I'm not stalling, just tired. Is my vacation okay with you Darth, or should I be "courteous" and immediately resign all of my games?
Imagine you're at a tournament somewhere and in the middle of your game your opponent decides "I'm tired of analyzing for now. So I'm gonna pause my clock, go to the skittles room and play blitz for awhile".
And it's not even like you have to sit there and stare at the board for hours at a time. You make a move every few days. It's not that taxing. If your focus is poor at one moment then come back to it a few hours later. You don't have to leave your opponents hanging for weeks at a time in order to play a few sloppy blitz games or to unwind.
Is being temporarily mentally tired of deeply analysing (using only my 56-year-old brain) my correspondence games a legitimate reason to go on vacation for a week? I've invested weeks or months of my time and energy into these games. I don't want to ruin them due to poor focus. My average time per move is 8 hours 21 minutes (when I could have used the allowed 72 hours per move). So am I really abusing my correspondence opponents by playing a few sloppy blitz games to unwind? Note that none of my positions are lost (AFAIK). I'm not stalling, just tired. Is my vacation okay with you Darth, or should I be "courteous" and immediately resign all of my games?
Imagine you're at a tournament somewhere and in the middle of your game your opponent decides "I'm tired of analyzing for now. So I'm gonna pause my clock, go to the skittles room and play blitz for awhile".
And it's not even like you have to sit there and stare at the board for hours at a time. You make a move every few days. It's not that taxing. If your focus is poor at one moment then come back to it a few hours later. You don't have to leave your opponents hanging for weeks at a time in order to play a few sloppy blitz games or to unwind.
Your scenario is a blatant violation of rules.
Chess.com rules still permit members on vacation to:
To whom it may concern:
In order to become a chess.com member, you agreed to to abide by the site's rules and policies. One of those policies is that members may use their vacation time to pause their daily games, except for games in a no-vacation tournament. A second restriction on vacation use is that it must not be used to delay the end of an obviously lost game. There are no other restrictions on vacation use. This policy has been in effect since the site's inception. This policy is standard practice in the noble tradition of correspondence chess. Correspondence ("daily") chess games may take weeks, months, or even years, even if your opponents never take vacation. So please think twice before issuing or accepting a challenge to such a potentially lengthy game.
And please understand that opponents will occasionally, with warning or explanation, go on vacation for days or even weeks. If the paused game is not part of a no-vacation tournament, and if the opponent is not delaying the resolution of a clearly lost game, the choice to go on vacation is perfectly valid according to chess.com policies. Note that chess.com places no restrictions on site usage while on vacation. In the context of this site, "vacation" means vacation from daily games only, not from the entire site. Members on vacation may use any of the site's other resources, including but not limited to, videos, live-streamed events, articles, blogs, the forum, Tactics Trainer, Chess Mentor, no-vacation daily games, analysis boards for any (including paused) daily game, and Live Chess.
Furthermore, under these condition (and in accord with the site's policy requiring members to be courteous with each other), the member utilizing vacation should not be subjected to undue criticism or harassment via chat, private messages, profile messages, or the site forum.
If you suspect that a member is abusing the vacation privilege, please do not "name and shame" that member in the forum (which is a violation of site policy). Instead first try contacting the member to discuss the situation. If this fails, submit a ticket to chess.com staff. Thank you for your attention and cooperation.
The benefit of these posts is that they point out the impatient people not to play.
Still laboring under the delusion that disagreement with the way a particular policy is implemented = not understanding the rules I see.
The benefit of these posts is that they point out the impatient people not to play.
It's not a question of patience, it's a question of courtesy.
The benefit of these posts is that they point out the impatient people not to play.
It's not a question of patience, it's a question of courtesy.
What is not courteous about this?
The rules still permit me to:
Many members here misunderstand the rules about vacation. I'm just went on vacation because I desire a break from my 16 "daily" games (3 days per move). The rules still permit me to:
Log on to this site and read the forum Watch videos and live-streamed events Practice on Tactics Trainer and Chess Mentor Use the analysis board to study my daily games Play speed chessIf I want to play some low-stress sloppy speed chess while I take a break from my high-stress meticulous slow games, why is this difficult to understand? The suggestion that I shouldn't be able to use chess.com at all while on vacation is especially strange (and nonsensical from a business perspective). It's as if some members think that vacation is only for times when I literally can't play chess at all because I'm incapacitated or completely preoccupied with practical (not fun) matters. But this view is not based on the actual rules. I'm completely within my rights to go on vacation simply because I want to, as long as I'm not using it to significantly prolong a lost game.
And what I do with my vacation time, whether it's poker, checkers, tiddlywinks, or speed chess should not be any one else's concern.
I don't think anyone misunderstands it, they simply disagree with it.