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artfizz

Someone enquired recently: How long do threads stay available on this site? Will there ever be a situation where a thread is no longer accesible to be viewed?

artfizz

 

As far as I know, it's like this:

Threads

no expiry date, irrespective of level of membership 

Games

retention period of 30 days for basic members

Messages

retention period of:  ??? for Basic members

 42 days (Gold membership)

1 year - Diamond/Platinum

 However, in practice, threads can disappear for a number of reasons. For instance:

The originator closes his account or gets banned.

The thread gets too large (a few thousand posts) and becomes corrupt. (In any case, you can't view more than 100 pages.)

The thread become controversial, inflammatory, abusive, etc. and gets deleted by staff.

 

Also, if chess.com disappeared, everything would go with it - as the people at ChessPark.com discovered recently. If there's a thread containing information that you don't want to lose, make sure you keep a copy.

smileative

Good advice, Art, thanks for that post Smile

artfizz

The method I use for saving a local copy of a thread is ...

  1. Step through each page, right click, Save As.
  2. You then have a choice of 2 formats: Web page, Complete or Web Page, HTML only. I always choose Web page, Complete.
  3. I append the page number to the page e.g. Cheating - Chess.com01.htmCheating - Chess.com02.htm, etc.
  4. The SAVE AS creates a directory (using the name you've specified) i.e. Cheating - Chess.com01.htm_files. This contains the formatted text (.HTM), pictures (mainly .GIFs + JPEGs), scripts, etc. It also creates an HTML page named Cheating - Chess.com01.htm etc.
  5. You have to do this for every page.
kco

what about the one with the games and diagrams ? 

artfizz
kco wrote: what about the one with the games and diagrams ? 

 That doesn't seem to work too well. When you click on the saved puzzle, the link still points back to chess.com and it doesn't step through the puzzle.

Back to the drawing board!

TheGrobe

The wholesale removal of content when an account closes is one of my bigget pet-peeves with these forums.  It's understandable that sometimes it's warranted and the ability to remove all of a user's with one click is necessary, but there are many, many more instances when an accounts closure simply shouldn't be accompanied by the removal of almost any trace that the user was ever here.  It undermines good threads with valuable contributions and it would be great if these two things were de-coupled.

goldendog

The greatest chess photos thread is missing quite a few of its contributions due to members closing their accounts. I wish they could at least selectively restore those posts, but that's probably too much to hope for.

artfizz
TheGrobe wrote:

The wholesale removal of content when an account closes is one of my bigget pet-peeves with these forums.  It's understandable that sometimes it's warranted and the ability to remove all of a user's with one click is necessary, but there are many, many more instances when an accounts closure simply shouldn't be accompanied by the removal of almost any trace that the user was ever here.  It undermines good threads with valuable contributions and it would be great if these two things were de-coupled.


Some threads should be accorded 'National Treasure' status and locked against partial or complete deletion - though not against addition.

Loomis

I don't think the forums are intended as an archival medium. The greatest chess photos thread is indeed quite cool. Perhaps it should be in Chessopedia.

goldendog

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/greatest-chess-photos

artfizz
Loomis wrote: I don't think the forums are intended as an archival medium. The greatest chess photos thread is indeed quite cool. Perhaps it should be in Chessopedia.

Could we contact 'The Elders of the Internet' and arrange to have selected threads preserved for posterity?

catholicbatman

This is very interesting.

artfizz

One difficulty with trying to get the photos archived is establishing who owns the copyrights.

When The Doomsday Project was initiated in the mid 1980's (on the 900th anniversary of the original Doomsday Book), material (mainly text and photos) was collected from a million individuals and organisations (predominantly schools) and stored on a pair of videodisks. The technology quickly became obsolete but the even greater challenge was the legal requirement to contact all of the copyright owners before the material could be made available on a new medium such as CD-ROM.