chess.com ratings are deflated against USCF

Hey mod, what is offensive about simple facts? The international pool IS stronger than the American average. Its a fact. Deal with it.

In response to Redneckchess, who said this: "However, maybe his poor blitz rating can be attributed to factors such as being old (he has a phd apparently),"

Adram Rinkleff has a Ph.D., si, yes, but Dr. Rinkleff, Ph.D. is not old.  He is about twenty-five.  Adam Rinkleff is one of them Dewgie Howser types.

I'll concede that my blitz rating here is much lower than my USCF rating, well below the average difference of ~200. However, my peak here is around 1600, which fits nicely. I tend to go on slumps, dropping a hundred points or more, mostly because I don't try very hard. I've been known to check my email during blitz games.

When you call something "fact", I ask something else called "evidence".

And the only thing I could find (link) is not going the way you think.

It does have an effect.

If people are cheating, then players are losing games (rating points) when they shouldn't be. You then have players rated lower than they should be.

Just like the argument about scholastic players deflating the pool. Some kid is rated 800 but actually "plays" like a 1400. This 800 beats 1200 and makes the 1200's rating go down. Imagine an engine user who is rated 1400 but is actually "playing" like a 2000, by using computer moves some of the time. It seems like the same thing to me. It makes it more difficult for the non-scholastic/non-engine-user to climb up the ratings. Thus, deflation.

@Irontiger -- that's only a list of averages based on the top 10 players residing in the listed countries.  Of the top 10 in the US, it seems that seven arrived to the US as accomplished players already.

This said, I also would like to see some evidence supporting Mr. Rinkleff's alleged fact.

It is rather common knowledge that the U.S. lags in chess, culture, and women.

America conversely ranks above average in film, probably only surpassed worldwide by Italian film directors such as Federico Fellini.

A race can excel at one aspect of culture (film) yet lag in culture overall.  Another thing we Europeans think that Americans do well, believe it or not, is cuisine. 

Another thing is the American moderate political stability.Political extremists have a much harder time getting followers in the U.S. than in Europe.

But chess, no, nor with wine, or women in general.

I never played otb of my life, so i don't know, but i saw a lot of MN rated 1800/1900 here ( i even spot two 1700s), so it is probably a little deflated. When i was playing on yahoo some years ago, i was much much weaker than today, but my rating was the same..

 1200s on this site (blitz and standart) are much better than a beginner is supposed to be. They have already some knowledge. 

I challenge all of the nations to make American style football teams. I'd guess it would be quite sometime before any nation had a team to defeat ours. Like chess, it is only because of what we have put our resources into. Chess makes very little money. NFL football and Ncaa football are both mulit billion dollar entities...

...you can better believe if being a good chess player was a prerequisite for my future, I would have been weaned on it, spoon fed the game and told I was to be kicked out of the house at 18, if I didn't apply myself to it. If chess players were rock stars or celebrities in the country, plenty of young people would be all over it.

It is more than just money.  Americans have been playing football seriously for over 100 years, even before there was big money in it.  When football started, baseball was obviously the King sport.  The NFL wasn't taken seriously until at least the 1950s.  Although I heard that college football was very popular in the early 20th century.

In Italy there is a relatively popular US-style football league.  There are eight teams.  Recently, Milano made an offer to Tim Tebouw.

And consider the NFL's goal of dethroning baseball in the country, ever since. It wasn't until 20 or 30 years ago that we ruled the baseball world. Other countries really started to invest a lot into it and you see what happened. I think people of any culture, race or nation that, puts their mind to accomplishing a goal, will either do so, or give their competition, a darned good run for their money...

I answered that somewhere else. I think if you look at grandmasters per capita, Germany is much stronger. You could also just meet some people from eastern Europe, they tend to be much more likely to play chess. The simple fact of the matter is other countries have had chess in the schools for decades, and people play chess at parks and pubs. Americans don't play as much chess, because they prefer television and video games. Many of the best American chessplayers are foreigners who came to the US. Whenever I go to tournaments, those are the people at the top tables, east/central Europeans and Indians, Africans and Chinese.

Germany has 83 Fide GMs for a population of eighty million.

USA has 61 Fide Gms for a population of three hundred fifteen million.

Per capita, Germany has about five times more. This suggests that there is a lot more chess in Germany, which there is.

Comparing the United States population to Germany is like comparing Appels and Orange.  It cannot be done. 

Yes, just like comparing farenheit with celsius. Totally impossible! All those social-scientists with their silly comparisons. Everyone knows that you can't compare two things! Everything is different, how can you compare them???? Oh wait, a comparison is simply an acknowledgment of differences... maybe it isn't so difficult after all.

What say you concerning the criticism of others in this discussion, who claim that any attempt to compare USCF ratings to chess.com ratings springs from the ulterior motive of the justification or rationalisation of engine use (cheating)?

Screw all this dumb stuff...there are some good movies, nba and olympics are on...lol

That doesn't even make sense to me. What would a comparison of ratings have to do with engine use? How would a comparison help justify engine use?