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I played a game where my opponent had a king and a rook and I beat him on time and I thought I won when the tab popped up saying it was a draw,insufficient material. What is happening?

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You had insufficient material to win when he ran out of time, hence... draw by insufficient material

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If your opponent's clock runs out, you either draw or win, depending on your material. If you do not have enough pieces to checkmate (e.g. king, king and knight, king and bishop) then it is a draw. If you do have enough pieces to checkmate, then you win.

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If it's a forced draw, lets say a locked king and pawn ending (all pawns are locked up and there is no entry squares for either king) is it then a draw?

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ViktorHNielsen wrote:

If it's a forced draw, lets say a locked king and pawn ending (all pawns are locked up and there is no entry squares for either king) is it then a draw?

Yes, because both sides have no win, even when the opponent plays badly (can he?).

The arbiter should stop the game and declare it a draw.

However, here there are no arbiters, so simply offer a draw to your opponent.

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but what also happened was that I had several pawns left and opponent ran out of time and it was a draw?

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timbites wrote:

If your opponent's clock runs out, you either draw or win, depending on your material. If you do not have enough pieces to checkmate (e.g. king, king and knight, king and bishop) then it is a draw. If you do have enough pieces to checkmate, then you win.

Actually you can win on time if you have a bishop, if your opponent has a piece or two you can setup a mate and therefore with legal moves mate can occure. I'm not sure about this.

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cheetahch wrote:

but what also happened was that I had several pawns left and opponent ran out of time and it was a draw?

No, it was just a king and rook vs a king like your original post said:

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pfren wrote:
ViktorHNielsen wrote:

If it's a forced draw, lets say a locked king and pawn ending (all pawns are locked up and there is no entry squares for either king) is it then a draw?

Yes, because both sides have no win, even when the opponent plays badly (can he?).

The arbiter should stop the game and declare it a draw.

However, here there are no arbiters, so simply offer a draw to your opponent.

According to the CFC rules, if you have ANY chance of wining (even if your opponent blunders 39 points of marterial) you will win. However you can call the arbitor over at 2:00 and declare a draw. He then can accept postpone or decline. If he declines then you get 2 more mintutes to play to a drawn position.

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I'm not a premium mmber so my games arn't archived forever but the position was like this

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Really.

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theres no way that that was the position in the game since theres no rook

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Rasparovov wrote:
timbites wrote:

If your opponent's clock runs out, you either draw or win, depending on your material. If you do not have enough pieces to checkmate (e.g. king, king and knight, king and bishop) then it is a draw. If you do have enough pieces to checkmate, then you win.

Actually you can win on time if you have a bishop, if your opponent has a piece or two you can setup a mate and therefore with legal moves mate can occure. I'm not sure about this.

Not here though, you need mating material if there were no opponent pieces.

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Actually, your games *are* archived forever, you just can't see them.  Digging through your past games I found this one:

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=423991853

In it, you have several pawns left, but you were the one that ran out of time.  Since your opponent had only a king left, it was a draw by insufficient material.



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Scottrf wrote:
Rasparovov wrote:
timbites wrote:

If your opponent's clock runs out, you either draw or win, depending on your material. If you do not have enough pieces to checkmate (e.g. king, king and knight, king and bishop) then it is a draw. If you do have enough pieces to checkmate, then you win.

Actually you can win on time if you have a bishop, if your opponent has a piece or two you can setup a mate and therefore with legal moves mate can occure. I'm not sure about this.

Not here though, you need mating material if there were no opponent pieces.

oh okey

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