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I just played a game and was about to capture my oppoents king by backing him into a corner, but on the next to the last move it was called a stalemate, I don't understand why if we are allowed fifty plus moves to checkmate our opponent.

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Ask yourself this: What move can your opponent make in that game in question? 

Every square is taken. He can't make a single move (I've described that in detail in post #42),  but the king is not in check. That is the definition of stalemate. 

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My opponent had one more move left, he was cornered, but on the next to last move the game called it a draw, it's not making sense to me...

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Where could his king go? Every square is taken by your pieces. 

I will copy what I've already said:

After Kb6 it is your opponent's turn. Let's see every possible move he can make:

Ka8 is illegal because that square is attacked by your queen.
Ka7 is illegal because that square is attacked by your king.
Kc8 is illegal because that square is attacked by your queen. 
Kb7 and Kc7 are illegal because those squares are attacked by your king and queen. 


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I'm still in the beginning stages so maybe there is something I am unaware of.

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usernameone wrote:

I'm still in the beginning stages so maybe there is something I am unaware of.

You are unaware of the rule "STALEMATE"

 

Google it if you do not understand the explanations offered here

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usernameone wrote:

Logomorph, I strugle with dislexia so it is difficult to digest lots of text instructions, that is why I am asking questions about this specific game, I'm sure I will pick it up eventually, thanks for the response.

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The game was a draw due to a stalemate.

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MelvinGarvey wrote:

"stalemate" is confusing a word, since "checkmate" would be "shamat" in Persian, which means "the King is dead". It's not hard to figure out then, that "mat" means "dead". And "check" means then "King", as in, the King is under attack.

So, in French, we use the term "pat" (in place of "stalemate"). I don't know where this word is coming from, but it allows for a French speaking chess coach/teacher, to explain: "no check, no mate", which makes it a clear and simple explaination of the difference between checkmate and stalemate imo.

Not that it matters that much, but we use "pat" in Serbia as well. happy.png The origin , as far as I understand is "echec pat" from French. In Italian it is "patto".

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what i am wondering is how such a "beginner" managed to get all the opponents pieces like that. Must have a lot of potential if he can only stop arguing about the actual rules

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I am sure the OP is grateful that people remind him of this incident even 5 years later.

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magipi wrote:

I am sure the OP is grateful that people remind him of this incident even 5 years later.

Lest we forget, the internet will remind us.

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Why draw???

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ekostrenkov wrote:

Why draw???

White has the move. Find a single legal move for him. 

If you can't, it can be one of 2 things:

1. Checkmate, if his king is in check (which is not the case here)
2. Stalemate (AKA a draw because white can't move and his king is not in check)

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shangtsung111 wrote:
ekostrenkov wrote:

Why draw???

we can't comment on this position image ,there is insufficient info.

Well as it was a pawn move by black on the last move, it is obvious that white pawn moves downwards. So it is blocked, hence stalemate.

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It is bizarre that black in that position pushed the h-pawn. Even if it wasn't stalemate, what is the point of that move? Maybe it was just a completely random move.

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magipi wrote:

It is bizarre that black in that position pushed the h-pawn. Even if it wasn't stalemate, what is the point of that move? Maybe it was just a completely random move.

Perhaps he saw Qf3# on the next move and wanted to set it up by taking away h4. It is actually not a bad idea in itself if not for stalemate (and if we forget that there was another mate in 1 chance).

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I had a Queens king and Castle left, my opponent had a king left, he made 4 consecutive same movement, I was going to go in for the kill and then…it was a draw😵‍💫

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nklristic wrote:
MelvinGarvey wrote:

"stalemate" is confusing a word, since "checkmate" would be "shamat" in Persian, which means "the King is dead". It's not hard to figure out then, that "mat" means "dead". And "check" means then "King", as in, the King is under attack.

So, in French, we use the term "pat" (in place of "stalemate"). I don't know where this word is coming from, but it allows for a French speaking chess coach/teacher, to explain: "no check, no mate", which makes it a clear and simple explaination of the difference between checkmate and stalemate imo.

Not that it matters that much, but we use "pat" in Serbia as well. The origin , as far as I understand is "echec pat" from French. In Italian it is "patto".

"Patt" in swedish.