That's virtually identical to the one I posted.
Similar. But using only the original pieces. And no promotions. And a lot less moves. And with only the white king and pawn in the same position.
I was just asking for someone to show me it was possible and found it was on my own right away anyways. Whether it could be done more quickly or without promotion isn't really relevant. Either way that position is never happening unless white is intentionally trying to be checkmated. Also noone was wondering if it was possible for white to checkmate. That's beyond obvious. The whole point was white ran out of time and whether this should have resulted in a draw or not.
100% I think it should have.
Ok So now you know the difference between FIDE and USCF rules, it is time to move on.
Thanks for the enlightening distinction. I'd have appreciated it a good deal more, though, if it was relevant to the discussion. There are two major problems with your reasoning.
1.) OP was not confused about USCF vs. FIDE. He was unfamiliar with both. You came along to say it was the source of the confusion when in reality it has nothing to do with anything.
2.) Most importantly, this game would have gone to a draw in either format. The process just would have gone differently. The result would have been the same.
So now I will move on. In fact, I had done that two months ago until I noticed this snide remark a few minutes ago. My first instinct was to ignore but then I thought, "This guy is unselfishly offering his wealth of knowledge. I should return the favor and help educate him."
You are wrong on all counts.
The OP thought black should win because mate was possible. The distinction between FIDE and chess.com rules is very relevant.
It would have been a win for black under FIDE rules.
You are moving on , but still none the wiser.
Well of course lol. Why would I have left this discussion any wiser when the person engaging me is providing no relevant insight?
How is it possible for a person to be confused between two rule-sets when he was familiar with neither of them? If OP had claimed he was accustomed to FIDE rules your comment would have made some sense. Clearly this wasn't the case and your argument was then non-sequitur.
The fundamental issue here is not recognizing what is very obviously a drawn position where black's ONLY winning chances involve black inexplicably allowing white to march his pawns up to promotion when it's easily prevented and then white inexplicably not winning with the promotion.
If this scenario came up in a FIDE game it would have gone one of two ways... either both players are reasonable enough to agree to a draw, or you quickly end up with three-fold repetition which is also a draw. End of story.
I get it, though. Chess is a zero-sum game and by virtue of that many players have personalities that like to treat disagreements the same way. If you want to stubbornly cling to your flawed argument feel free, but don't be so stupid to think anyone but you is buying it.
That's virtually identical to the one I posted.
Similar. But using only the original pieces. And no promotions. And a lot less moves. And with only the white king and pawn in the same position.
I was just asking for someone to show me it was possible and found it was on my own right away anyways. Whether it could be done more quickly or without promotion isn't really relevant. Either way that position is never happening unless white is intentionally trying to be checkmated. Also noone was wondering if it was possible for white to checkmate. That's beyond obvious. The whole point was white ran out of time and whether this should have resulted in a draw or not.
100% I think it should have.
Ok So now you know the difference between FIDE and USCF rules, it is time to move on.
Thanks for the enlightening distinction. I'd have appreciated it a good deal more, though, if it was relevant to the discussion. There are two major problems with your reasoning.
1.) OP was not confused about USCF vs. FIDE. He was unfamiliar with both. You came along to say it was the source of the confusion when in reality it has nothing to do with anything.
2.) Most importantly, this game would have gone to a draw in either format. The process just would have gone differently. The result would have been the same.
So now I will move on. In fact, I had done that two months ago until I noticed this snide remark a few minutes ago. My first instinct was to ignore but then I thought, "This guy is unselfishly offering his wealth of knowledge. I should return the favor and help educate him."
You are wrong on all counts.
The OP thought black should win because mate was possible. The distinction between FIDE and chess.com rules is very relevant.
It would have been a win for black under FIDE rules.
You are moving on , but still none the wiser.