exactly!
Live Chess is brain dead
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erik wrote:
two seperate comments:
i've raised the issue about the window close. you are correct about that. i believe we had left it the way it is for now while we were testing and have not yet changed it back to give you a popup warning that if you leave the page, you will resign. fair point and i am investigating.
second point: in the future you should feel free to be nice when making suggestions. most people generally respond more to positively spun constructive criticism than the same commentary delivered in a rude way - me included :)
so while i was a little offended by your delivery, i do appreciate you re-surfacing this issue.
Erik, you're doing a great job. I would like to help test LC3 when it is available as I helped test LC2
Eberulf wrote:
Prawn, if you're using Firefox then I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. On FireFox the ONLY problem I had with Live Chess 1 was a disconnect every 15 games or so. But then my opponents got disconnected ocasionally too, so I didn't care too much.
If all these other sites are so much better why aren't you on them now.
1. We each had our own different experiences on LC1 and your good experience does not invalidate the bad experiences many of us had.
2. Why aren't I on other sites? Well, choosing a chess site is a matter of weighing up what's good, what's bad and what you can live with. I chose to stay on Chess.com for all the other benefits that this site affords non-paying members.
3. I didn't moan about LC1, merely stopped using it. I'm still not moaning (please read carefully what I've written), I'm a fan of LC2.
Is that crystal clear for you now? or do you have other questions I need to answer to validate my opinions?
LC2 is clearly an improvement and you are in a small minority... btw why are you still here if so dissatisfied?
It's amazing that people are still complaining about things missing: watching other games (which can still be done), private chat, etc, complaining about this new live chess. People read your messages that chess.com sends to every member! They explained to everyone that this is Live2, a temporary version that wil be replaced by Live3 (soon they said, but I'm patient). They have also been constantly leaving messages on the live chess page about how all the missing things are being gradually added back. So be patient & READ YOUR MESSAGES! then you wont be so quick to jump to conclusions. This is a great chess site.
Nov 10, 2009
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Eberulf wrote:
shakje wrote:
Eberulf, if LC1 was still available, there would be a possibility that no-one would migrate. I would assume that there were under-the-hood reasons for the rewrite, and not just the user-reported ones. I've pushed for, and been able to do, a fair number of rewrites of legacy code to fix things that the client never knows about, sometimes even just to make it simpler.
You seem to be confirming that the only apparent issue with Live Chess 1 were the disconnects, as you say that maybe there were some phantom issues that no one who actually uses Live Chess 1 was even aware of that had to be addressed. I would say that some problem that no user is even aware of is not actually a problem.
Well then you're wrong. Maintainability is a small one, but allows new features to be added in more smoothly and easily, bandwidth issues would have economic repercussions on the site, poor data access code/queries could slow down the rest of the site, the code could be so strewn with browser-specific stuff that the only way to make it more compatible is to rewrite it from the ground up, the server could struggle with large numbers of people, better administrative control, better security. And so on. Automatically assuming that because you can't see an issue it's not a problem is naive, for all we know the server was having to be restarted every hour because the code was littered with bugs.
It wouldn't surprise me if what happened was that a bunch of developers/consultants came in and recommended to Erik that he pay them for a complete overhaul of something that was 95% good and better than anything else available on the internet (i.e, Live Chess 1).
I doubt that. Erik comes across as someone who is not willing to pay stupid amounts of cash for work that doesn't need to be done. I think it's far more likely that none of us normal plebs have any idea of the real reason for the rewrite, but that it was probably a long thought-out and sensible decision. From the things that Erik has written previously, I don't see him having the money to spare to spend that much money on consultants anyway.
Here is some features dropped that were in Live Chess 1.
-Watching other player's games
Why was this removed? what problems was it causing? To be able to improve your game by watching two players rated 400 points higher than you slug it out - this was an extremely useful feature that was removed for no apparent reason. Now they have to agree to let you be their "friend" before you can watch their games.
Raise it as an issue then. I would agree with this point.
-Playing multiple games: Some player decides to take a nap in the middle of a game for no apparent reason, there's nothing you can do about it now.
This should be back in LC3, which I believe is well along the way to release.
Plus the various logical glitches still being addressed in Live Chess 2, regarding disconnects and so on.
It's a new version, there's going to bugs.
AS far as the disconnects, now they seem to be occurring 2-3 times at least in every single game. Of course now you're notified of it like its the end of the world, and then Live Chess 2 congratulates itself for reconnecting you.
Yup, should be removed.
In Live Chess 1, I personally got disconnected no more than 1 every 15 games or so. And there wasn't a lot of chatter from Live Chess 1, informing me of what it was doing behind the scenes (as there is with Live Chess 2 in regards to disconnects.)
Unless you know a lot of people who had the same situation, it's anecdotal. There were a lot of disconnects with LC1, and even one disconnect in a good game is annoying at the least when you can't get back into the game.
Nov 10, 2009
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#47
"I doubt that. Erik comes across as someone who is not willing to pay stupid amounts of cash for work that doesn't need to be done. I think it's far more likely that none of us normal plebs have any idea of the real reason for the rewrite, but that it was probably a long thought-out and sensible decision. From the things that Erik has written previously, I don't see him having the money to spare to spend that much money on consultants anyway."
correct
Nov 10, 2009
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#48
unfortunately this is the world of live chess no matter how much people try to make it better, some people will not like elements of it. I admit when an opponent leaves a board during the game it can be annoying having to wait etc .... that is why i tend not to play so much live chess anymore.
i am known to have quit thin skin... literally. also my brain is not dead. and live chess is for the gulls.