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    I really like the Lebanon flag - it has a Christmas tree on it : )

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    ahh yes, a "tincup" is that what you passed around your fake pubs to collect money in, to fund the killing of innocent people. you ignorant moron


    Talking about pubs GM_fishys, have you ever heard of the Black-and-Tans?  I'm not talking about the beverage, I'm talking about the terrorists the British goverment unleashed onto the Irish people. Let me give you a little history lesson you imbecile... read and learn.


    The attitude of the Black and Tans is best summed up by one of their divisional commanders:

    "If a police barracks is burned or if the barracks already occupied is not suitable, then the best house in the locality is to be commandeered, the occupants thrown into the gutter. Let them die there – the more the merrier.

    Should the order ("Hands Up") not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching (a patrol) carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious-looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time. The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man."

    Lt. Col. Smyth, June 1920

    The most infamous attack on the public came in November 1920. Many people had packed into Croke Park, Dublin, to watch a football match. In retaliation for the murder of fourteen undercover detectives by the IRA, the Black and Tans opened fire on the crowd, killing twelve people. In retaliation for this attack, eighteen members of the ‘Auxies’ (a separate part of the Black and Tans) were killed in Kilmichael, County Cork. The ‘Auxies’took their revenge for this by burning down the centre of Cork and parading around after this event with burnt cork in their caps. Violence, it appeared, only led to even more violence on both sides.

    The Black and Tans were not regular troops. There were many examples of them shooting indiscriminately at civilians as opposed to republican guerrillas. Creameries were also destroyed by the Black and Tans –almost as a way of economically punishing those who may have been helping the IRA. Those experienced in trench warfare fighting a seen enemy, were of little use in Ireland. The Black and Tans were so poorly disciplined and trained for Ireland that their casualty rate was far higher than could have been imagined when the government first advertised for them. The government in Westminster quickly realised that they were a liability as even public opinion in mainland Britain was appalled by a lot of what they did.

    What did the Black and Tans achieve? They served no purpose for the British government as they simply failed to stop what the IRA was doing. However, they did succeed in getting the republican cause a great deal of civilian support simply because of their acts – people may not have joined the IRA, but they were supporters of it and gave what financial help they could to the movement. The Black and Tans were pulled out of Ireland in ignominy.

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    I lived and worked in dublin 2008-2009, I don't need a history lesson from a north-american

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    GM_fishys wrote:

    I lived and worked in dublin 2008-2009, I don't need a history lesson from a north-american

    Too bad you got one anyway, I hope you learned something.


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    GM_fishys wrote:

    I lived and worked in dublin 2008-2009, I don't need a history lesson from a north-american

    You're wasting your time; the level of ignorance in this Country about Ireland is beyond redemption, unfortunately.


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