Pre-move is cheating

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ozzie_c_cobblepot

For what it's worth...

When I play, first candidate moves are those that are positionally motivated. So I can easily play positionally in a 30 min rapid game. The hard part is to "back it up" with variations. I really feel like I'm adding value [to myself] when I consider a move, and then reject it for tactical reasons.

TheGrobe
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

For what it's worth...

When I play, first candidate moves are those that are positionally motivated. So I can easily play positionally in a 30 min rapid game. The hard part is to "back it up" with variations. I really feel like I'm adding value [to myself] when I consider a move, and then reject it for tactical reasons.


To mitigate my risk due to disconnects and wait-time exposure due to abandoned games I play 10 10 almost exclusively when I'm in live and this is how I get into time trouble.  It seems I have trouble committing unless I can convince myself that a move is sound.

YuvalW

first you have to understand the difference bitween a blitz and a bullet

a game of 5 on 5 is a blitz game, it's a game when you have time to think
a 1 on 1 is a bullet game, where you don't have time to think

when talking on premoves you should talk about bullet games, where there is no real time for thinking, because in the blitz game the premove can easliy be a bad move that will ruin your game

now, you are claiming that premoves allow a player to win no metter how bad he plays. try it, go to a server like playchess and play with premoves the games, you will probably win against the 1300 and maybe even against the 1400, but when getting to the 1500, which is not a high level at all, you will lose. because using premoves isn't good just to pass your turn, it have to be a good move on the board that will eventualy let you win the position if you play better, and by playing pre-moves, which you have to play in order to be good at bullet games, you have to understand the board enough to know that a move is almost always good, and if it isn't you don't play a pre-move..

Harrr

What about to set, in a late future (I don't believe it's a so big issue at the moment, before that there is the disconnection & lag issue) a default min. time per move (i.e. 0.1 sec even if you use pre moves)?

ozzie_c_cobblepot

My strategy is to win on the board for the first 55 seconds and if not won yet then make sure to create a premovable position so that the last 5 seconds never get really used.

Elubas

I always wondered how chess network got a rating of 4000. Yes, he had to be better than everyone, but he's only some kind of master. You would think that 1 0 is unpredictable enough that he would lose some games because 1 minute is so hard to control and time has to be used so well. Because if he lost he would probably lose hundreds of points.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

He may go up one point at a time?

For what it's worth, he refused my challenges a couple of months back when we were both logged on at the same time. I had to change my seek so that it wouldn't keep getting accepted by him. So I made mine to seek 1600-2600, which really only avoided his (at the time) 3000 rating.

His average opponent is more than 100 points below my average opponent.
(1596 vs 1726)

Looks like he avoids "higher-rated players".

Elubas

Me too.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

He had an outstanding seek for which I qualified. Every time I would put out a seek it would match up with his. He would abort the game. Then I would put out another seek. So would he. They would match up. He would abort.

So eventually I'm like ?????

And I changed my parameters.

ozzie_c_cobblepot
TheGrobe wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

For what it's worth...

When I play, first candidate moves are those that are positionally motivated. So I can easily play positionally in a 30 min rapid game. The hard part is to "back it up" with variations. I really feel like I'm adding value [to myself] when I consider a move, and then reject it for tactical reasons.


To mitigate my risk due to disconnects and wait-time exposure due to abandoned games I play 10 10 almost exclusively when I'm in live and this is how I get into time trouble.  It seems I have trouble committing unless I can convince myself that a move is sound.


I see what you mean.

In a longer time control, when there is quite a bit of time left, if you make an overtly unsound move (e.g. hang your queen) your opponent will see it.

In 1 0 I've hung my queen multiple times, but the opponent will just respond to whatever threat I made. Then we both realize it a move later, and I retreat the queen, and the opponent types "LOL" or something.

Elubas

lol

And I hate people who accept and abort just to annoy people.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

I think the server software does auto-matching. This has been my experience in live chess.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.

Otherwise the behavior of ChessNetwork was downright odd. I do think the server was auto-matching our seeks.

Has it really never happened to you that you put out a seek, and the game starts immediately after you press "create seek"??

Elubas

Why doesn't he just play you?

ozzie_c_cobblepot

I've heard that ChessNetwork is "only" an NM. In other words, not an FM. Which would put his playing strength in the 2200-2300 FIDE ballpark. And so if his sole objective is rating points of course he wouldn't want to play me. He would probably get 1 pt for winning, -50 for drawing, and -150 for losing or something!

Marvin2

cool

phrage
Sardine wrote:

Funny comments about drinking juice...

The over-the-board equivalent would be to pick up a piece and hold it on a square before your opponent had even moved.

The main problem is that it distorts the games. People 'play' for positions where they can use pre-move and win on time. It's a curious way to want to win.


sardine -that is "hovering' which is a different skill to premoves use  but both can be double edged swords. john huston said some directors use the camera like a sniper and others like a  machine gun. premoves can be used in a vulgar or subtle way. it's the way ya tell 'em.! 

ozzie_c_cobblepot

The whole point of 1 0 is to play for premove style positions. If there is no premove available then you play for quick winning positions. Or you play to eliminate your opponent's mating material. The actual game of chess takes a secondary seat to the other games going on when you play 1 0.

Loomis

I don't fully disagree wtih you Ozzie, but bullet chess has been played long before pre-move was invented and it's played over the board.

zankfrappa
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