Pre-move is cheating

 Thats why i prefaced it with its just my opinion.  Thats what it seems like to me.  Obviously i could be very mistaken.

In my opinion, the game of chess was brought to this planet by an advanced alien race. And if they catch us playing one minute, they will return and destroy us all.

Elubas, my point is that you can say all those same things about long games at the patzer level. GMs would look at longer games at the level I play and say "come on, they don't make any reasonably plans or ideas. They can hardly calculate any tactics without overlooking simple moves. Both sides blunder repeatedly and never come close to finding the truth in the position."

It really seems to me that you are saying it's the quality of the game and not the time control that make it "not chess" in your opinion.

to Cpawn: never in the discussion has been mentioned OTB 1 minute chess, which is indeed throwing pieces and using both hands to move.

I tirple posted, but I'm not mad or anything and not... trying to rant. But you know it's annoying how people claim how 1 min is just as much chess as everything else because they're good at it. I'm saying how the chess game is compromised and I just want to know why it's not. I don't find it much fun, but I understand others do, which is what I think that kind of chess would be all about, but not a way to brag how brilliant you are even if you make it 2000.

In my experience, all the same rules about using one hand in longer games are still followed in 1 minute OTB chess, which I have played a bit of.

Well, what are you gonna do, that's a GM's opinion. I hope they would at least call my chess "chess" because I try to play purposefully with a clear plan, but whatever. But in a bullet game my elo may go down to like 1250 or something and it doesn't feel the same. I don't want to resort to crude plans and stuff, it dumbs down the game to me, and chess usually gives you more options than that.

Well, kind of. I am talking about the quailty, but it's the time control that forces you to lower the quailty. To me a GM would still play well even with a minute because they are so good; I can't say the same for myself or most other bullet players I see, and of course it's not their fault, because it's hard to play with just 1 min!

And rainbow, Imagine instead winning a tough pawn up rook and pawn endgame in that way. Much harder patterns when you're trying to premove! I know I couldn't do it in that situation! I mean it's a testament to the craziness of 1 minute when people feel disgusted when someone actually wins their Q vs k don't you think?

One could even argue that the game played by two 2000-rated players is more chess than the game played by two super-GMs. When the game devolves into "who prepared better", "who has the stronger support team", "who has a larger number of dedicated computers", then the game has included just as many non-chess factors as the games of 1 0 and correspondence.

True, GM's have so much experience that the first 15-20 moves are often really easy, even in sharp openings. And a gm draw isn't fun to watch, often not fully fought out.

Some players do try to win with mouse skill instead of chess skill. I beat them most of the time: good moves fast will beat random (or predetermined) moves faster nine times in ten.

"Pre-Move" is something I JUST heard today when I played this MAGGOT who CHEATED by going twice in a row,i called him on it and he said" "Its Pre-move.which is just another term for CHEATING,try that in the streets of NY in a real face to face game and you'd be lucky NOT to have your fingers broken!

Pre move dates at least a century before the internet was created.

In postal chess, players often give their opponents premove options, in order to speed the game up.

They would post thier move, then give a list of "if you move this piece here, then (move).

They even give a list of optional moves in case the opponent has multiple possible replies. It's used mostly in forced sequences where the opponent has limited options for forced moves, or at least moves that don't outright lose the game.

You just replied to a ten year old thread.....

I guess he lost on time. Should have premoved.

pre-moving is bad because you will never know thet the opponent will play and could play a threatening move to your Q.

It's at least fun to watch.