PRE-MOVE is not cheating !!

     I grow so tired of people saying that I am hacking the timer because they don't know how to use pre-moves in live chess.   Today another player went on and on about how I hacked the timer.  This happens almost daily since I prefer to play 1-0 live chess. 

*edited by staff to remove player's name.

grow tired?  i would find that hilarious.

Yeah.  People don't get it.  And boy do they get mad!  Wouldn't this be called "cracking" anyways? 

Hackers are good people who help with Internet security.  Crackers on the other hand usually have bad intentions and cause mischief.

Thats weird. I use pre-move all the time and no one gives me any troubles.

While it is true that using pre-move is not cheating, and perhaps some discussion of this issue is warrented, please don't use the forums to call out other players. This isn't the place for that.

Thanks :-)

Speaking of pre-move...

*Can you say "If the opponent does X, then Y?"

*If you say "My next move is X", what if X is an illegal move when it is your turn?

*not in live chess, only in correspondence

*It doesn't let you do that move and you pick another one.

teach them how to use the pre move. lol

pre-moves on live chess aren't the same as conditional moves in online or correspondence chess.  In pre-move, the move you select will be made on the sole condition that it is a legal move after your opponets move.  Conditional moves only apply if your opponent makes a move you predict (if A then B, if C then D).

:-) No, not really, at least not on the site. I suppose you could if you have an offsite blog, but why would you do that when you can blog here? :-)

i wish there was :)

i think premove is kind of bs insofar as it allows people to move in a speed game without losing any time.   that seems to defeat the purpose of speed chess. that said, everyone does it, so what can you say.  don't understand why it's there in the first place though. 

 not being a live great player let's see if i understand this...in corespondence/turnbased you say if opponent plays Nc3 I play Re8.  In live you can go I play Re8 no matter what my opponent plays as long as Re8 is a legal move?

How do you set this up?  Would love to be better at quick chess...

I would forget all about pre-move altogether. What is the point of playing I can move faster than you and make you run out of time. This 'feature' massacres chess. What if both players are using pre-move? I'm sure that would make some really high quality chess

You just move your piece like you would if it was your turn.

Without premove 'quick' games would be utterly pointless and it really would come down to pure luck quite often, weighted in favour of the guy with the best connection.  Most winning attacks in chess win material, not checkmate, but what would be the point without premoves.  You can get a position that is so easily won you can literally win it by making moves irrespective of what your opponent moves but you lose on time because your winning technique requires 20 moves at half a second each.  Longer in some cases with live chess as it is.  This would be crazy and it would cease to be chess.  It would become a total lottery since nobody can know ahead of time whether or not it is a good idea to keep hold of your material/win material and head for an easy endgame that you might very well not have time to actually finish, or give up on the idea of 'chess' and go for the trained monkey approach.  If someone sets out to win on time and their connection/processor/mouse/reflexes/hand-eye co-ordination is better than yours, without premoves you are pretty much screwed.  You either find a checkmate against a very defensive opponent in a mere 1 minute, and without an endgame - no time, or you lose.  You dont even have the option to play the defensive couldnt care less about a winning position approach back, since you're the one with the higher overheads, you will lose.  No pre-move basically hands one player a huge advantage right from the start, and it's an advantage that is based entirely outside of chess ability. 

Actually I've had people complaining about me 'cheating' too.  Some people are glad for the info about premoves, some continue to call me a cheater, and some say that premoves shouldn't be allowed.  I have to laugh at the middle group, since their own stupidity is causing them to play at huge odds against players in quick chess.  Also, the very idea of playing 1 0 without premoves, is pretty hilarious.  The most complaints I get are from people who throw away all their material by moving as fast as possible, and I obviously take longer since I have to change my mind to adapt to material winning tactics rather than just playing what I had in mind before their stupid moves, and then they get upset because they dont win on time because the endgame up 2 rooks, a bishop, a queen and some easily pushable pawns is too easy for me to play quickly.

chessroshi the situation you describe is exactly what premove is there to help prevent.  With premoves, the player with the easily won position has a chance to win even if the other guy can move quicker. 

You would have to go to your live chess settings and I think there is a box you must check so you can be able to play your premoves.  And when you are in a game and it is your opponent's turn you can make a move (premove) like as if it is your turn.  I'm not sure if you can enter multiple premoves or not.  One time I tried doing that and I lost my connection lol  :)

Good point. I stand corrected.

There are certain interfaces like babaschess for playing on FICS (freechess.org) that let you do multiple premoves, like if one move is illegal, you can do another move. This could be programmed for ICC too, its just a matter of speaking the protocol. You could also program a client that does live computer analysis seamlessly in while playing, that would be cheating.