what to do about poor sports who kill the clock in live chess?

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modusoperandy

thanks, dpruess, that is good to know.

but i don't see why we're not allowed to name and shame players here.  i understand that even good people sometimes erroneously give negative feedback -- in addition to those bad apples who falsely do so to satisfy their sadistic urge to get even with people for honest wins or whatever they're frustrated about -- but blocking someone just for myself doesn't satisfy my drive for altruism.  i would like to be able to share people's handles with the community here so that others can be warned of players who engage in this sort of poor sportsmanship, instead of just relying on the staff to police these matters.  the readers of such name-and-shame posts could look me up and decide for themselves whether to believe me. 

also, IMHO if a live moderator censures someone with bad feedback, that should be visible to all.

 

and on another note, can that "conditional moves" thingy be used to set up an automated response chain in the event that someone is stalling/killing-the-clock?  because even when things are changed around here to allow paying members to play multiple live games simultaneously, they'll still have to go back to that game to check in on it.  the automated response would add the same kind of convenience that is available to bidders on ebay, though in a somewhat different manner.

PEACE

dpruess

first: i think that when we send reprimands to players, requiring that they write back acknowledging they understand what we are saying, we will probably see some good results, and won't need any further policing of the matter. thus, we will maintain the policy of asking members not to name+shame.

second: in echess, yes, you can use conditional moves so that you don't need to check back in on a winning game. in live, it will only work if you can set up a string of premoves that you are confident of, eg: rook on b1 and king on c1 and pawn on a2 vs king on g7, you premove a4-a5-a6-a7-a8, and go get that iced tea.

Conflagration_Planet
woodshover wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:

They're everywhere. I was at the world open last week and got stalled OTB!!! I was like NO WAY!!!! But it happened and I was shocked. Everyone around couldn't believe it either. It was my first big tournament and the guy was gonna stall a mate in one for twenty minutes. I sat there and waited until my opponent moved though. Luckily he didn't wait out the entire time but it was still pretty bad to watch.


 Did he explain why?


 Did he explain why?

dpruess

my opponent was mute after the game. but i did not talk to him either, i got out of there as quickly as possible once he hit his clock on the last move.

Conflagration_Planet
dpruess wrote:

my opponent was mute after the game. but i did not talk to him either, i got out of there as quickly as possible once he hit his clock on the last move.


 It's amazing that people at that level still pout when they lose!

ModernCalvin

It's good to know that the staff cares about issues like this. Cheers!

I know on Xplorers online, they eventually ban you if you disconnect from too many games. Perhaps Chess.com should add a feature like this for Live Chess?

oinquarki

I got stalled in an OTB tourney game once. I was up a queen, rook, and handful of pawns with a mate in one. The arbiter happenned to be walking by, so he saw the position and marked it up as a win for me.Smile

modusoperandy
dpruess wrote:

first: i think that when we send reprimands to players, requiring that they write back acknowledging they understand what we are saying, we will probably see some good results, and won't need any further policing of the matter. thus, we will maintain the policy of asking members not to name+shame.

second: in echess, yes, you can use conditional moves so that you don't need to check back in on a winning game. in live, it will only work if you can set up a string of premoves that you are confident of, eg: rook on b1 and king on c1 and pawn on a2 vs king on g7, you premove a4-a5-a6-a7-a8, and go get that iced tea.


 i just played a game of livechess and i could not see a premove button anywhere.  is it only for paying members?

PrawnEatsPrawn

Sceadungen

Somehow Chess has a habit of bringing out the worst in some people.

just got to live with it.

TheOldReb

Some people certainly want to prevent any kind of feedback system it seems... I wonder why ? Wink

TheOldReb
dpruess wrote:

modus,

a live moderator can check chat while a game is still going; we can't go back and see chat logs for games you've played.

just seeing that someone lost a game on time, we can't ascertain what the nature of the story was-- on what move they used the time, what the reason was, etc...

what you need to do if something like this happens in the future is ask for a mod in the main chat, and have them take a look at your game. they'll be able to see the guy's chat, and they will put bad feedback on the guy's account for you.

the feedback system will work, because people who incorrectly give negative feedback will face sanctions from staff; so they will be de-incentivized to do so. also the only ppl who will have access to negative feedback will be staff-- so it won't represent any kind of stigma on you that others see. it will just help us identify over time which members are ... less nice... and offer them some counseling. if that fails after some reasonable effort on our part, we'll show them to the door.

Reb, he can't find the old post, and it could have been deleted. so who is right will never be resolved. let's just stop talking about it.


 Is it possible the "old post" referred to never existed ?  I am fine with dropping this IF geek makes a public apology for his accusation , which he presented as "fact" and when asked to show some proof he has none. I havent deleted any post I have ever made concerning geek  and/or Reshevsky and cant imagine why staff would. To my knowledge noone else can... he said I made " various forum posts " which implies there are more than one and he cant find even one ? I would like either an apology/retraction from geek OR some PROOF that I actually said that. I dont think this is asking too much.

gabrielconroy

No one cares except you and Schachgeek, Reb. There's no reason to keep going on about it.

TheOldReb

So why bother to comment on something about which you do not care ?

MM78
dpruess wrote:

happened to me otb too, at last year's national open. someone spent 50 minutes on the last two moves of a mate in two, while i paced around the room *majorly* annoyed.

added option: you can block such people. and if they accept your open seek, then abort, and try again. i know it's not perfect, but as i explained in my previous post, we will be dealing with this more in the near future. for now, blocking is a decent stop-gap.


 In an OTB tournamemt last year my opponent dragged out my mating of him in two for 80 mins.  Even more sneakily he returned to the board when I wasn't there, made an illegal move and started my clock.  I returned, pointed out his illegal move and he then made a legal move.  I played my next move and then he went off and returned just in time to spend 2 mins watching his own clock run out.

 

He said " I lose on time, sorry but I hate mates."  I replied "Not to worry, I'm sure you don't have many mates."

TheOldReb

I had an opponent try that with me once... he was facing mate in 1 , I had about 30 min on my clock left and he had about 15 , it was obvious he was gonna just let his time expire so I set my watch for 25 minutes and left to go have a drink/snack at a nearby restaurant. When I came back he was gone and had resigned. I guess the "looks" he got from other players who came by to see his position were just too much for him to endure ....

gabrielconroy
Reb wrote:

So why bother to comment on something about which you do not care ?


Because I'm commenting on your commenting on it.

fissionfowl
Reb wrote:
I would like either an apology/retraction from geek OR some PROOF that I actually said that. I dont think this is asking too much.

How many people have you come across on an internet public forum who would ever apologize about anything?

Conflagration_Planet
Reb wrote:

So why bother to comment on something about which you do not care ?


 Perhaps because people are sick of seeing the same ridiculous post over, and over, and over, and over. Over something as petty as that.

ivandh

Dirty deeds... done dirt cheap