Somebody asked about the composer? It's a famous puzzle by Shinkman, from 1908
can you spot the 3 moves
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rjboy wrote:
TonightOnly wrote:
I was wondering if you knew who the composer was.
W. A. Shinkman i dont know what is W. and A.
Of course! One of the greatest of all time. Perhaps my very favorite??
BTW, his full name is William Anthony Shinkman.
Mar 9, 2009
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got it! 1. Rf4, threatening Rf3#. only way for black to prevent mate is Bd4, cause if white then plays Rf3+, black king can take the rook on c4. So white just moves this rook to b4, moving it away from the king and threatening Rb3# AND Rf3#. Now all blacks moves are useless. if black plays Kc3 -> Rb3#. If black plays Bc3 -> Rf3#.
This realy is a sweet puzzle
So
1. Rf4 Bd4 (forced)
2. Rb4 Bc3 (no better move)
3. Rf3#
pwkip wrote:
got it! 1. Rf4, threatening Rf3#. only way for black to prevent mate is Bd4, cause if white then plays Rf3+, black king can take the rook on c4. So white just moves this rook to b4, moving it away from the king and threatening Rb3# AND Rf3#. Now all blacks moves are useless. if black plays Kc3 -> Rb3#. If black plays Bc3 -> Rf3#.
This realy is a sweet puzzle
So
1. Rf4 Bd4 (forced)
2. Rb4 Bc3 (no better move)
3. Rf3#
Well, the listed solution is how I saw it as well.
However, after 1.Rf4 Bd4 2.Rf3+, black cannot play 2...Kxc4, but he can play 2...Be3. Also, I don't see how 1...Bd4 is forced. Black has 7 other moves by my count.
Mar 9, 2009
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TonightOnly wrote:
pwkip wrote:
got it! 1. Rf4, threatening Rf3#. only way for black to prevent mate is Bd4, cause if white then plays Rf3+, black king can take the rook on c4. So white just moves this rook to b4, moving it away from the king and threatening Rb3# AND Rf3#. Now all blacks moves are useless. if black plays Kc3 -> Rb3#. If black plays Bc3 -> Rf3#.
This realy is a sweet puzzle
So
1. Rf4 Bd4 (forced)
2. Rb4 Bc3 (no better move)
3. Rf3#
Well, the listed solution is how I saw it as well.
However, after 1.Rf4 Bd4 2.Rf3+, black cannot play 2...Kxc4, but he can play 2...Be3. Also, I don't see how 1...Bd4 is forced. Black has 7 other moves by my count.
oh yes, you're right, knight is still protecting the rook there. but indeed, Be3 would prevent the mate also (at least for some more moves)
and if black plays any other move than 1...Bd4, white will play 2.Rf3#. I could be wrong with my definition of forced. but as i see it a forced move is the only move that prevents mate (at least in the next move)
A good, puzzle? sure. but the greatest of all time? Oh man, Just look through some of Sam Loyd's stuff.
i agree that SAM LOYD is one of the famous poetry of chess...
W.A. SHINKMAN also....here is one of sam loyd master piece CLICK HERE.....
THANKS FOR SOLVING THIS PUZZLE.............
Another one by Shinkman, American Chess Journal 1877. Mate in 3. I like this, the key is surprising.
rooperi wrote:
Another one by Shinkman, American Chess Journal 1877. Mate in 3. I like this, the key is surprising.
i like this puzzle....it looks easy but not soo....
but i think the solution is
1.Rh1....
Right, you need only one rook to mate.
I have over 200 Shinkman puzzles, do you want more?
rooperi wrote:
Right, you need only one rook to mate. I have over 200 Shinkman puzzles, do you want more?
sure!!! if you want..thanks...
i have a book of puzzle too..i give also my puzzles to you..
Ok one more, from 777 Chess miniatures 1908. mate in 3
rooperi wrote:
Ok one more, from 777 Chess miniatures 1908. mate in 3
nice puzzle....
thanks...
her's mine
rjboy wrote:
This position it will not happen in real game
maybe black resign before this positon happen...
i put this for brain twisting and for fun only GOOD LUCK!!!
POST YOUR SOLUTION AND I'LL PUT THE SOLUTION LATER
white to move
mate in 3 moves
Ra4 Bd4, Rh4 Bc5 or be3 Ra3+ mate am I right
Afraid not, move the bishop to any other square except d4, then there's no mate
Ra4 Bd4, Rh4 Bc5 or be3 Ra3+ mate am I right
1.Rb4 Bd4, 2.Rh4 Bc5 3.Rb3+ mate am I right
no, still not, the bishop doesn't have to go to d4 on the 1st move. there's only one move thar forces that, Rf4
rjboy wrote:
This position it will not happen in real game
maybe black resign before this positon happen...
i put this for brain twisting and for fun only GOOD LUCK!!!
POST YOUR SOLUTION AND I'LL PUT THE SOLUTION LATER
white to move
mate in 3 moves
Mate in 2 only.
1.Nb3 Bb2
2.Nb5+
Or
1.Nb3 Bd4
2.Nb1+
RJBoy,
Did you miss my question? I was wondering if you knew who the composer was.
sorry for the late reply....
W. A. Shinkman i dont know what is W. and A.