amiraz,
your diagram is missing the e6-pawn
put it in, then we need to do the piece-counts and capture counts in both our positions...
amiraz,
your diagram is missing the e6-pawn
put it in, then we need to do the piece-counts and capture counts in both our positions...
From my last diagram it shows d4-pawn (final e6 pawn) cannot be f-pawn, as then white needs at least 6 captures - black is missing 5 pieces/pawns.
So final e6 pawn is a d-pawn
Isn't black missing four pieces and two pawns?
From my last diagram it shows d4-pawn (final e6 pawn) cannot be f-pawn, as then white needs at least 6 captures - black is missing 5 pieces/pawns.
So final e6 pawn is a d-pawn
Isn't black missing four pieces and two pawns?
I am talking about the last diagram I posted, not the original one.
From MY last diagram, black's black-sq bishop is a promoted one (original dark-sq bishop was captured in situ), and must be promotion of a-pawn (current g4-pawn must be d-pawn, current d3-pawn must be c-pawn).
Therefore black's pawns must have made 6 captures, whereas in MY diagram only 5 white's pieces are missing ???
I must be missing something...
dsarkar - your position is not possible, since the black bishop at d8 has no way to reach that position; it would be blocked in by the pawns at e8 and g8.
I think amiraz has figured out the only possible final move sequence.
EDIT: Although he needs to add a pawn to his diagram . . .
dsarkar - your position is not possible, since the black bishop at d8 has no way to reach that position; it would be blocked in by the pawns at e8 and g8.
I think amiraz has figured out the only possible final move sequence.
EDIT: Although he needs to add a pawn to his diagram . . .
black's d8 bishop is not original - it was promoted from a-pawn - can you please explain why it is impossible?
Amiraz's position (your edited version) is good no doubt.
dsarkar - your position is not possible, since the black bishop at d8 has no way to reach that position; it would be blocked in by the pawns at e8 and g8.
I think amiraz has figured out the only possible final move sequence.
EDIT: Although he needs to add a pawn to his diagram . . .
black's d8 bishop is not original - it was promoted from a-pawn - can you please explain why it is impossible?
Amiraz's position (your edited version) is good no doubt.
dsarkar -
You are correct, my apologies. So we have a promoted black bishop AND a promoted white Knight?
And that durn board editor messed up ;
g4 has to be the e-pawn, right? Because if amiraz' diagram is correct only 4 white pieces were taken by pawns. For g4 to be the d-pawn would require 3 captures to get to g4, plus 1 for the pawn to get to d3 and at least 1 for the a-pawn to promote. And dsarkar's diagram shows the pawn on e7. So either way it's the d-pawn and a promoted black bishop.
We have two options for what happened last White move; there could have been an en passant capture onto e6 or a third Knight could have moved to g6 from e5. Note that White is missing 5 pieces, but one (the light-squared Bishop) had to have been captured on its home square by a non-pawn.
If there was an en passant capture as White's last move, then the Black Bishop on d8 is a promoted one because the original had to have been captured on its home square by a Knight. This means that Black's pieces that were captured by White are 1 pawn, both Bishops, Queen, and both Knights. This allows 5 captures by White's pawns (since one of the Bishops was captured by a Knight).
Consider the case of dxe6 e.p., then the Black d-pawn is currently on g5, having made 3 captures; the Black c-pawn is on d3, having made one capture, and the Black a-pawn has made at least one capture in order to be promoted. This is a total of 5 or more captures by pawns. However, as I noted in the first paragraph, only 4 are available. Thus, if an en passant capture was White's last move, then it was not made with the d-pawn.
Consider the case of fxe6 e.p.. Recall that one of Black's missing pawns was promoted to the dark-squared Bishop. Also, the e-pawn was captured after the d-pawn made it to g5. Looking at White's pawns, we note that the White pawns made captures on a3, g3, e6 (ep), b3 or b5, and a 4, 5, or 6. What pieces could these be? Black is missing 6 pieces, so it seems possible. However, the dark-squared Bishop was captured on its home square and the a-pawn promoted and was not captured. This leaves the two Knights, a Queen, and a light-squared Bishop to be captured on e6 (by the d-pawn pre- en passant, to get the Black d-pawn to g5, since the f-pawn is not available to be captured in this case), g3, a3, b-file, and a-file (each for the pawn currently on a6). However, this is 4 pieces over 5 squares, and so is one capture too many. Thus, an en passant capture was not made by White with the f-pawn as his last move.
This leaves N[e5]g6+ as the only possible last White move. This means that at least 1 White pawn promoted to a Knight. Whether it was the promoted Knight that was lost on g6 or another does not matter. In order to minimize the number of captures, we require the 3 pawns on the a-file to come from a2, b2, and c2 originally. Which pawn, then, is the one on e6? It is either the d-pawn or the f-pawn. Whichever pawn it is, the other one must have promoted. In either case, the f-pawn has a specific role which does not include capturing and staying on g3.
Thus, the pawn currently sitting at g3 originally came from h2.
From my last diagram it shows d4-pawn (final e6 pawn) cannot be f-pawn, as then white needs at least 6 captures - black is missing 5 pieces/pawns.
So final e6 pawn is a d-pawn