Shortest-proof-game challenge

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EvinSung
EvinSung

white to move

BishopTakesH7
EvinSung wrote:
#6103

I wonder if anyone can find the shortest game without checks.

Arisktotle
n9531l1 wrote:
BishopTakesH7 wrote:

Fastest game that ends with cxb8=N# but the knight is not the checking piece.

Here is a dubious one. The knight is not the checking piece but a checking piece (double checkwink)

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Arisktotle
Arisktotle wrote:
BishopTakesH7 wrote:

Fastest game that ends with cxb8=N# but the knight is not the checking piece.

And here is the ultimate shortest one without double check:

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Leither123
n9531l1
EvinSung wrote:
#6106

Here's a proof game, not unique, in 26.0.

n9531l1
Leither123 wrote:
#6111

Here's a game in 27.5. Leither will tell us how much shorter it needs to be.

EvinSung
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@6114

Leither123
n9531l1 wrote:

Here's a game in 27.5. Leither will tell us how much shorter it needs to be.

I don't know how short it can get, but here's an attempt in 25.5.

n9531l1

How short a proof game can you find for this position?

RewanDemontay
n9531l1 wrote:

How short a proof game can you find for this position?

A tight 29.5 to begin with.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Why. Are. All. These. Proof. Games. Ending. in. Half. Moves??????????

All proof games should have black make the last move so ends in a full move. Positions where black is in check or otherwise couldnt have made the last move should be disqualified.

BishopTakesH7
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Why. Are. All. These. Proof. Games. Ending. in. Half. Moves??????????

Same reason player games end in half moves

RewanDemontay
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Why. Are. All. These. Proof. Games. Ending. in. Half. Moves??????????

All proof games should have black make the last move so ends in a full move. Positions where black is in check or otherwise couldnt have made the last move should be disqualified.

Just deal with it, yo. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not going to be able to force us to change are merry half move PGing ways.

Proofgame In 0.5
n9531l1
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

All proof games should have black make the last move so ends in a full move.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

Who said that?

Arisktotle
BishopTakesH7 wrote:
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Why. Are. All. These. Proof. Games. Ending. in. Half. Moves??????????

Same reason player games end in half moves

Yes, and all direct checkmate problems and almost all endgame studies end in "half moves". It is only natural that most problems have "odd-ply" durations. The side with the mission starts - like white mates in 3 - and also completes the mission which per definition produces an "odd-ply" duration. The exceptions are the cooperative stpulations which have no mission leaders and therefore no preferred odd/even duration! (helpmates and proof games). The special ones are the selfmates because white cannot execute a selfmate move by the rules and needs to defer that task to black!

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Well certain instances of half-moves can be eliminated. Such as resignation. When black wants to resign he should be required to make a move first, even a random one, so that the game is more complete. Since black has nothing to lose in terms of points by not following this rule, other penalties may have to be imposed to enforce it, such as disqualification from the tournament if black resigns without first making a move.

Arisktotle
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Well certain instances of half-moves can be eliminated. Such as resignation. When black wants to resign he should be required to make a move first, even a random one, so that the game is more complete. Since black has nothing to lose in terms of points by not following this rule, other penalties may have to be imposed to enforce it, such as disqualification from the tournament if black resigns without first making a move.

Of course, you can always make a simple thing complicated. Especially if you choose not to provide a single argument for it. All games of all lengths are equally complete, except for someone with a fetish for odd or even numbers of plies.