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daStrwbrry
2718a wrote:
#6861

This was a pretty difficult position. I knew there was some kind of sliding puzzle with the pieces in the bottom ranks but it wasn’t easy to resolve it all. Eventually I managed to make a 113-move proof game which reaches the position, but not without breaking the 50-move rule.

BigDoggProblem
daStrwbrry wrote:
2718a wrote:
#6861

This was a pretty difficult position. I knew there was some kind of sliding puzzle with the pieces in the bottom ranks but it wasn’t easy to resolve it all. Eventually I managed to make a 113-move proof game which reaches the position, but not without breaking the 50-move rule.

Here's how to avoid the 50-move rule. Same retraction sequence to get the Black Bishop to g1, then a quick un-promotion of Bf1 to reset the counter.

This is really a Retro, not a Proof Game, so I stopped retracting after unpromoting bQ on a1. The rest is easy.

BishopTakesH7
daStrwbrry
BigDoggProblem wrote:

Here's how to avoid the 50-move rule. Same retraction sequence to get the Black Bishop to g1, then a quick un-promotion of Bf1 to reset the counter.

This is really a Retro, not a Proof Game, so I stopped retracting after unpromoting bQ on a1. The rest is easy.

Ah, I completely overlooked that possibility… but hang on. Isn’t it impossible to reach this arrangement of pieces?

White has exhausted his captures with pawns, so Nxg3 was not played last. hxg5 can’t be retracted since h1 was always occupied by the king so a black piece cannot unpromote there yet. Retracting c2-c3 is useless. d2-d3 would cause problems with wBh2 getting back home, since it is original. And retracting exd3 requires the uncapture of the black d-pawn, but then the d-pawns can’t get around each other. Because of this, wPd4 is stuck and bK can’t retract to e5. Everything else is jammed in.

It seems that avoiding the 50-move rule is not that simple…

BigDoggProblem
daStrwbrry wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:

Here's how to avoid the 50-move rule. Same retraction sequence to get the Black Bishop to g1, then a quick un-promotion of Bf1 to reset the counter.

This is really a Retro, not a Proof Game, so I stopped retracting after unpromoting bQ on a1. The rest is easy.

Ah, I completely overlooked that possibility… but hang on. Isn’t it impossible to reach this arrangement of pieces?

White has exhausted his captures with pawns, so Nxg3 was not played last. hxg5 can’t be retracted since h1 was always occupied by the king so a black piece cannot unpromote there yet. Retracting c2-c3 is useless. d2-d3 would cause problems with wBh2 getting back home, since it is original. And retracting exd3 requires the uncapture of the black d-pawn, but then the d-pawns can’t get around each other. Because of this, wPd4 is stuck and bK can’t retract to e5. Everything else is jammed in.

It seems that avoiding the 50-move rule is not that simple…

Yep, shoulda stayed hidden behind Samuel...

tygxc

@6867

First try:

tygxc

@6870

Shorter:

TheGreatFelix04
Hi guys, I see all this stuff and I’m impressed! How do you post a chess picture? Idk how. Pls respond!
tygxc

@6872

Reply. Then click on the top left 4*4 chessboard icon. Cut & Paste a PGN or FEN.

TheGreatFelix04
Ok, thanks. Hey, can I post a hard one? I think it will be hard.
TheGreatFelix04
[Event "?"]
[Site "Chess.com iPhone"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "7K/1B1n1r2/1p4P1/1R1p1bpQ/1r1PR2P/q1b3B1/PN2p2R/k2r4 w - - 0 1"]

{*}
TheGreatFelix04
Oops, how do I do this?
TheGreatFelix04
[Event "?"]

[Site "Chess.com iPhone"]

[Date "????.??.??"]

[Round "?"]

[White "?"]

[Black "?"]

[Result "*"]

[FEN "7K/1B1n1r2/1p4P1/1R1p1bpQ/1r1PR2P/q1b3B1/PN2p2R/k2r4 w - - 0 1"]



{*}
TheGreatFelix04
Ok, pls help. I don’t have a 4x4 chessboard icon. Pls help and reply.
TheGreatFelix04
[FEN "7K/1B1n1r2/1p4P1/1R1p1bpQ/1r1PR2P/q1b3B1/PN2p2R/k2r4 w - - 0 1"]
athlblue
TheGreatFelix04 wrote:
[FEN "7K/1B1n1r2/1p4P1/1R1p1bpQ/1r1PR2P/q1b3B1/PN2p2R/k2r4 w - - 0 1"]
athlblue

You posted FEN for the starting position

TheGreatFelix04
Then what do I do?
BigDoggProblem

Felix's position

BigDoggProblem
TheGreatFelix04 wrote:
Then what do I do?
  1. Click "chessboard" icon above posting area.
  2. Click "load from FEN".
  3. Paste FEN, then click "Load".
  4. Click "Insert".