Tactics too hard.

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szaszzo66

You are overdoing it, Matt! Even an experienced player can get saturated after 1 or 2 dozens of tactics puzzles.

mjharris77

I do honestly want to improve though and I feel like it will help. And top players train for hours a day so I don't see how an hour a day or so is too much.

szaszzo66

It is not the total time that matters, but the number of puzzles. You are a beginner, don't forget; while I am still far from Master level.

mjharris77
szaszzo66 wrote:

It is not the total time that matters, but the number of puzzles. You are a beginner, don't forget; while I am still far from Master level.

I get that. But even in an hour or so I can do about 80 puzzles. And I get I'm still a beginner, my point is that I don't want to be one rather I want to become at least intermediate. 

szaszzo66

Exactly, 80 is too much. Thus, one hour is too much.

mjharris77

Maybe. But it doesn't feel like too many.

szaszzo66

Try more than 10-15 at 2100/2200+ level.

thomascreed

It is not so important what your level is in tactics. I am trying to learn guidelines to solving tactical exercises. When I find an approach I write the guideline and try to apply. I have just started my list of guidelines. Perhaps you can use this approach to improve. Anyway here are the first three guidelines I have noted. Perhaps this can help someone other than me.

 

Calculate all possible checks from all check givers.

Calculate a capture, then calculate the response and then calculate the reaction to the response.

When a capture is sure then find another capture to precede it.

 

mjharris77
szaszzo66 wrote:

Try more than 10-15 at 2100/2200+ level.

I'm not sure of your point other than to say I'd probably get zero correct. But that's because I'm 1000 points below that level and in the same way I'd imagine you'd get zero correct at 2800 level. So it's pointless me even attempting them even if I could.

szaszzo66
mjharris77 írta:
szaszzo66 wrote:

Try more than 10-15 at 2100/2200+ level.

I'm not sure of your point other than to say I'd probably get zero correct. But that's because I'm 1000 points below that level and in the same way I'd imagine you'd get zero correct at 2800 level. So it's pointless me even attempting them even if I could.

Actually, I got one 2500+ very fast, but this is not my point. At 2100-2300 puzzles are pretty difficult and I tend to get tired after a dozen. If I do 50+ or 100+ in a session, I get too many wrong, get tired, lose a lot of points and get frustrated, too. No fun whatsoever, whereas getting 8 correct out of 10 is FUN and REWARDING. Chess is supposed to be both serious and fun! happy.png

szaszzo66
thomascreed írta: 

Calculate all possible checks from all check givers.

Calculate a capture, then calculate the response and then calculate the reaction to the response.

When a capture is sure then find another capture to precede it.

 

I totally agree with the first two, these are second nature to an experienced player. I am not sure about the third one, though.

mjharris77

Ah right I see your point. Maybe I'll cut it down a little but I imagine it's quite different doing 15 puzzles at 2300 level compared to say 50 puzzles at 1100 level.

szaszzo66

 Maybe. I started at 1200, but I had no Premium Membership. Thus, I had to do with 5 per day.

mjharris77
FishEyedFools wrote:
mjharris77 wrote:

Ah right I see your point. Maybe I'll cut it down a little but I imagine it's quite different doing 15 puzzles at 2300 level compared to say 50 puzzles at 1100 level.

If your main goal is your rating, your improvement will be slower.  Your goal has to be the learning first.  

I get that. And I realise that 7 weeks or so isn't a long time, but it still feels like I've not improved or learnt that much. I don't know maybe I have learned stuff and just not realised or maybe I'm trying to rush things too fast.

szaszzo66
mjharris77 írta:
FishEyedFools wrote:
mjharris77 wrote:

Ah right I see your point. Maybe I'll cut it down a little but I imagine it's quite different doing 15 puzzles at 2300 level compared to say 50 puzzles at 1100 level.

If your main goal is your rating, your improvement will be slower.  Your goal has to be the learning first.  

I get that. And I realise that 7 weeks or so isn't a long time, but it still feels like I've not improved or learnt that much. I don't know maybe I have learned stuff and just not realised or maybe I'm trying to rush things too fast.

Matt, @FishEyedFools is right. But even if Your goal is improvement, it will be slow and gradual, nonetheless worthwhile. I have been a teacher for more than 20 years and a chess coach for a short period. Trust me on this... I have some experience. happy.png Read my post #34.

lfPatriotGames
mjharris77 wrote:
szaszzo66 wrote:

Try more than 10-15 at 2100/2200+ level.

I'm not sure of your point other than to say I'd probably get zero correct. But that's because I'm 1000 points below that level and in the same way I'd imagine you'd get zero correct at 2800 level. So it's pointless me even attempting them even if I could.

It sounds like almost all the advice given to you is really pretty good. If you apply what people are suggesting to you, you will improve. At your level 2200 rating problems might be too difficult and frustrating but the idea is a good one I think. Try some that are way above your ability, say in the 1600 to 1800 range. Take your time and really think about what you have learned so far. You might be surprised when you get one or two right and that will be encouraging. Every once in a while I try ones that are 600 points above my ability and of course they are too difficult, but sometimes I get close or even get one right. I dont do it to improve, I just do it for fun and dont really care if I get them right or not. Because once it's not fun, there is no point in doing it anymore. I've never even done 20 tactics in one day, let alone 80. To me that does not sound like fun.

SeniorPatzer
FishEyedFools wrote:
mjharris77 wrote:

Ah right I see your point. Maybe I'll cut it down a little but I imagine it's quite different doing 15 puzzles at 2300 level compared to say 50 puzzles at 1100 level.

If your main goal is your rating, your improvement will be slower.  Your goal has to be the learning first.  

 

I learned that I like a high rating.  wink.png