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It looks like white losses. Ke3, f3, g3, g4 seem to lose very easily. Ke4 but then Kc6 to get the diaganol opposition. then is Kd4 Kd6 Ke4 Kc5 and the black king slides in.
Depressnyak wrote:
It looks like white losses. Ke3, f3, g3, g4 seem to lose very easily. Ke4 but then Kc6 to get the diaganol opposition. then is Kd4 Kd6 Ke4 Kc5 and the black king slides in.
Yes, C is the correct answer, congratulations!
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C! help test live chess 2 and report back to kohai for any inconvienience (apart from me butting in)
That's called the ultimate Zugzwang! Also, it's interesting to note white can't gain
opposition or diagonal opposition on his move.
zankfrappa wrote:
That's called the ultimate Zugzwang! Also, it's interesting to note white can't gain
opposition or diagonal opposition on his move.
But is it Zugzwang, Black to move wins too.....
Yes Rooperi, because it is white's move but he wishes he could pass, like in some other games. Then black would be in trouble.
zankfrappa wrote:
Yes Rooperi, because it is white's move but he wishes he could pass, like in some other games. Then black would be in trouble.
Zank, Rooperi has a point here - if white could pass the move on to black, in this position, he would still lose.
So it's Zugzwang, but even a pass does not help his cause. How often does that happen?
My understanding of Zugzwang is that you would be OK if it was your opponents move., eg here white can draw, but only if it's Black's move, Black can win, but only if it's White's move...
Oxford Companion of Chess defines a position where it is lost no matter who moves as a squeeze, but I must say I've never heard that used.
Chessopedia defines Zugzwang as "A German word meaning obligation to move.
The term is used for a position in which whoever has the move would obtain a
worse result than if it were the opponent's turn to play".
So I guess from this definition white is not in Zugzwang.
Yes, Kf3 would be rectangular opposition. I was only thinking about direct opposition or diagonal opposition. Chess Mentor has a great lesson on rectangular opposition which I forgot about.
tonydal wrote:
Crazychessplaya wrote:
Your statement is partly true.
Damn (I wish it had been the other part).
just how late can you be. i demand a limerick describing why and how late you were to respond. bad bad tonydal. SIT. limerick time ^_^. nah just joking, 2 limericks is enough in a space of 2 days
In the position below, white is to move.
Which one of the following statements is true?
A. White can force a win from this position
B. White can only draw
C. White loses no matter which move he makes