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druggedbug wrote:
__vxD_mAte wrote:

hmm, thats not a very long answer ... its supposed to be a "very hard" math problem so I decided to take a look. And yes before someone asks I am trying to improve my IQ.

I was probably wrong anyway after all that.


I read this and I felt that it deserved a response. It is not possible to 'increase your IQ,' but it is possible to increase your intelligence. I've noticed over the years that there is an increasing number of people who don't really understand what an IQ implies. An IQ is a measure of one's ability to learn something. A low IQ score would not necessarily imply that you are stupid, rather it would imply that you pick up things slower than others. You can know more than someone and have a lower IQ, after all, what you do with the brain you have is what really matters. An example of an IQ being used in the real world is assessing a student for special needs education.

Doing these math problems would be beneficial to you I agree, but not because of IQ as you suggested, but because it would help your ability to recognize patterns. Chess is patterns, math is patterns, chess == math, therefore knowing patterns is very beneficial to math practice. Pattern recognition is how computer chess players work as they analyze every move.

Maybe, this will come as a shock, but your IQ is something that never changes no matter how hard you try. The good news is you will be a much smarter person for all of your effort to increase your IQ!

I mean no harm or disrespect in my post! My hats off to you for your attempt at the math problem.


 Of course your IQ can change. All I can say without having to cite a study is that our IQ changes as we age.

MetalK
__vxD_mAte wrote:
druggedbug wrote:
__vxD_mAte wrote:

hmm, thats not a very long answer ... its supposed to be a "very hard" math problem so I decided to take a look. And yes before someone asks I am trying to improve my IQ.

I was probably wrong anyway after all that.


I read this and I felt that it deserved a response. It is not possible to 'increase your IQ,' but it is possible to increase your intelligence. I've noticed over the years that there is an increasing number of people who don't really understand what an IQ implies. An IQ is a measure of one's ability to learn something. A low IQ score would not necessarily imply that you are stupid, rather it would imply that you pick up things slower than others. You can know more than someone and have a lower IQ, after all, what you do with the brain you have is what really matters. An example of an IQ being used in the real world is assessing a student for special needs education.

Doing these math problems would be beneficial to you I agree, but not because of IQ as you suggested, but because it would help your ability to recognize patterns. Chess is patterns, math is patterns, chess == math, therefore knowing patterns is very beneficial to math practice. Pattern recognition is how computer chess players work as they analyze every move.

Maybe, this will come as a shock, but your IQ is something that never changes no matter how hard you try. The good news is you will be a much smarter person for all of your effort to increase your IQ!

I mean no harm or disrespect in my post! My hats off to you for your attempt at the math problem.


I would disagree, if you take the right vitamins your temporal IQ should increase, you have different physical states, the state when you are malnourished and the state where you have all the vitamins are the most obvious examples, (drunken state, drugged state?). So there is no test that can really measure your IQ if your Quotient is dependent on nutrition and (lack of) drug exposure. 

So for bevity "temporal IQ" in this case means "Your IQ at the moment" or "how well you can potentially solve problems in your current state of fitness".

I am always good in tests however my chess skill isn't as great as I would like it to be, perhaps I would need much more knowledge, or perhaps it is simply too hardcore.


I would tend to disagree with you on this "temporal IQ".  now a "drugged state/drunken state" can permanently alter the brain.  while it is correct that a healthy diet has a high probability of maintaining a healthy brain and,therefore,  an IQ. A healthy diet does not guarantee this.

Knowledge and intelligence, as taken in the context of IQ, are often misunderstood.  IQ is much like a persons height.  It peaks at a certain age and slowly declines.  How it gets there, and when it gets there are determined by many factors.  How it declines also has many factors.  Knowledge on the other hand is simply what you know at a given time.

As of right now, there is no known way to increase your IQ, short of the theoretical implanting of biocomputers.  
Just like being stoned doesn't change your height it doesn't change your IQ.  I am saying if something causes you to hunch over for a couple of days that is not actually your height and any good doctor would notice this.  On the other hand, if something causes the deteriation of your bones and you "shrink" 4cm than that is your new height short of getting an implant.

__vxD_mAte
MetalK wrote:
__vxD_mAte wrote:
druggedbug wrote:
__vxD_mAte wrote:

hmm, thats not a very long answer ... its supposed to be a "very hard" math problem so I decided to take a look. And yes before someone asks I am trying to improve my IQ.

I was probably wrong anyway after all that.


I read this and I felt that it deserved a response. It is not possible to 'increase your IQ,' but it is possible to increase your intelligence. I've noticed over the years that there is an increasing number of people who don't really understand what an IQ implies. An IQ is a measure of one's ability to learn something. A low IQ score would not necessarily imply that you are stupid, rather it would imply that you pick up things slower than others. You can know more than someone and have a lower IQ, after all, what you do with the brain you have is what really matters. An example of an IQ being used in the real world is assessing a student for special needs education.

Doing these math problems would be beneficial to you I agree, but not because of IQ as you suggested, but because it would help your ability to recognize patterns. Chess is patterns, math is patterns, chess == math, therefore knowing patterns is very beneficial to math practice. Pattern recognition is how computer chess players work as they analyze every move.

Maybe, this will come as a shock, but your IQ is something that never changes no matter how hard you try. The good news is you will be a much smarter person for all of your effort to increase your IQ!

I mean no harm or disrespect in my post! My hats off to you for your attempt at the math problem.


I would disagree, if you take the right vitamins your temporal IQ should increase, you have different physical states, the state when you are malnourished and the state where you have all the vitamins are the most obvious examples, (drunken state, drugged state?). So there is no test that can really measure your IQ if your Quotient is dependent on nutrition and (lack of) drug exposure. 

So for bevity "temporal IQ" in this case means "Your IQ at the moment" or "how well you can potentially solve problems in your current state of fitness".

I am always good in tests however my chess skill isn't as great as I would like it to be, perhaps I would need much more knowledge, or perhaps it is simply too hardcore.


I would tend to disagree with you on this "temporal IQ".  now a "drugged state/drunken state" can permanently alter the brain.  while it is correct that a healthy diet has a high probability of maintaining a healthy brain and,therefore,  an IQ. A healthy diet does not guarantee this.

Knowledge and intelligence, as taken in the context of IQ, are often misunderstood.  IQ is much like a persons height.  It peaks at a certain age and slowly declines.  How it gets there, and when it gets there are determined by many factors.  How it declines also has many factors.  Knowledge on the other hand is simply what you know at a given time.

As of right now, there is no known way to increase your IQ, short of the theoretical implanting of biocomputers.  
Just like being stoned doesn't change your height it doesn't change your IQ.  I am saying if something causes you to hunch over for a couple of days that is not actually your height and any good doctor would notice this.  On the other hand, if something causes the deteriation of your bones and you "shrink" 4cm than that is your new height short of getting an implant.


Again I disagree, being on drugs can often negatively affect your problem solving ability, and in some cases improve. For example lots of alchohol will alter your perception and slow your reactions, and in the same way it will reduce your ability to solve problems quickly. 

Also, the correct level of nutrition is extremely important to brain activity, the correct balance of brain chemistry is probably very difficult to attain, however obviously if you have less than the correct amount of carbohydrate and vitamins your brain is likely to function slower - remember, brains don't like to eat fat, they like to eat sugar.

I am not even a Doctor however I happen to know a few Doctors and they will probably tell you the same. Whether your IQ can be increased is also dependent on your measurement system ... if you say for example that you study someone who isn't at the peak of health and find they have an IQ of 120 how can you tell if they would not be having scores of 140+ with the correct level of health ? The only way to find out is to measure their performance after they have increased their health to the best of their ability. So in this case the "temporal IQ" point is clearly a fact.

Also I should add that it is a medical fact that growth continues throughout adult life, and so it might be possible that brain size can increase and performance (i.e. like strength) can also increase. I suggest you start to treat your brain in the way  a body builder treats his/her body, and try to develop strengths where you can. 

I hope I don't suffer too much from the Bottle of Wine I am going to maturely consume within the next few hours.

MetalK


I would tend to disagree with you on this "temporal IQ".  now a "drugged state/drunken state" can permanently alter the brain.  while it is correct that a healthy diet has a high probability of maintaining a healthy brain and,therefore,  an IQ. A healthy diet does not guarantee this.

Knowledge and intelligence, as taken in the context of IQ, are often misunderstood.  IQ is much like a persons height.  It peaks at a certain age and slowly declines.  How it gets there, and when it gets there are determined by many factors.  How it declines also has many factors.  Knowledge on the other hand is simply what you know at a given time.

As of right now, there is no known way to increase your IQ, short of the theoretical implanting of biocomputers.  
Just like being stoned doesn't change your height it doesn't change your IQ.  I am saying if something causes you to hunch over for a couple of days that is not actually your height and any good doctor would notice this.  On the other hand, if something causes the deteriation of your bones and you "shrink" 4cm than that is your new height short of getting an implant.


Again I disagree, being on drugs can often negatively affect your problem solving ability, and in some cases improve. For example lots of alchohol will alter your perception and slow your reactions, and in the same way it will reduce your ability to solve problems quickly. 

Also, the correct level of nutrition is extremely important to brain activity, the correct balance of brain chemistry is probably very difficult to attain, however obviously if you have less than the correct amount of carbohydrate and vitamins your brain is likely to function slower - remember, brains don't like to eat fat, they like to eat sugar.

I am not even a Doctor however I happen to know a few Doctors and they will probably tell you the same. Whether your IQ can be increased is also dependent on your measurement system ... if you say for example that you study someone who isn't at the peak of health and find they have an IQ of 120 how can you tell if they would not be having scores of 140+ with the correct level of health ? The only way to find out is to measure their performance after they have increased their health to the best of their ability. So in this case the "temporal IQ" point is clearly a fact.

Also I should add that it is a medical fact that growth continues throughout adult life, and so it might be possible that brain size can increase and performance (i.e. like strength) can also increase. I suggest you start to treat your brain in the way  a body builder treats his/her body, and try to develop strengths where you can. 

I hope I don't suffer too much from the Bottle of Wine I am going to maturely consume within the next few hours.


yes being on drugs affects your performance not your intelligence quotient (IQ) just like carrying 100 kilos in your hands will cause you to stoop unless of course you have a tolerance for the drugs/weight.  this does not mean a test could not tell this or for that matter a series of tests to establish a range. what you are claiming is performance and IQ are equivalent which they are completely different.

if it helps to think of in different terms - a computer with a 750GB harddrive can store roughly 750GB.  do you have to use all 750 GB? no.  Can you increase its capacity? not without adding another harddrive.  Can a virus change its capacity? no but it can change the performance of the machine.  Can the harddrive degrade to hold less than 750GB?  yes.  IQ is loosely like a harddrive capacity.
And it is a fact that humans height peaks at about 35 and declines at about 50. 
As far as chess is concerned, it is completely pattern recognition ~ tactics.  So having a large knowledge base for chess, necessarily increases ones performance unless one is in an altered state. IQ just "determines" how quickly and readily one can access this knowledge.
Finally, I assert that this "temporal IQ" still does not exist.  One's assesment of IQ might, but a person's IQ remains fairly predictable throughout life.  the goal of IQ is to determine the "global capacity of a person to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his environment" is the ideal for IQ which being drunk should not change.  and if it does, then it should be a permanent change for the negative.

__vxD_mAte
MetalK wrote:

I would tend to disagree with you on this "temporal IQ".  now a "drugged state/drunken state" can permanently alter the brain.  while it is correct that a healthy diet has a high probability of maintaining a healthy brain and,therefore,  an IQ. A healthy diet does not guarantee this.

Knowledge and intelligence, as taken in the context of IQ, are often misunderstood.  IQ is much like a persons height.  It peaks at a certain age and slowly declines.  How it gets there, and when it gets there are determined by many factors.  How it declines also has many factors.  Knowledge on the other hand is simply what you know at a given time.

As of right now, there is no known way to increase your IQ, short of the theoretical implanting of biocomputers.  
Just like being stoned doesn't change your height it doesn't change your IQ.  I am saying if something causes you to hunch over for a couple of days that is not actually your height and any good doctor would notice this.  On the other hand, if something causes the deteriation of your bones and you "shrink" 4cm than that is your new height short of getting an implant.


Again I disagree, being on drugs can often negatively affect your problem solving ability, and in some cases improve. For example lots of alchohol will alter your perception and slow your reactions, and in the same way it will reduce your ability to solve problems quickly. 

Also, the correct level of nutrition is extremely important to brain activity, the correct balance of brain chemistry is probably very difficult to attain, however obviously if you have less than the correct amount of carbohydrate and vitamins your brain is likely to function slower - remember, brains don't like to eat fat, they like to eat sugar.

I am not even a Doctor however I happen to know a few Doctors and they will probably tell you the same. Whether your IQ can be increased is also dependent on your measurement system ... if you say for example that you study someone who isn't at the peak of health and find they have an IQ of 120 how can you tell if they would not be having scores of 140+ with the correct level of health ? The only way to find out is to measure their performance after they have increased their health to the best of their ability. So in this case the "temporal IQ" point is clearly a fact.

Also I should add that it is a medical fact that growth continues throughout adult life, and so it might be possible that brain size can increase and performance (i.e. like strength) can also increase. I suggest you start to treat your brain in the way  a body builder treats his/her body, and try to develop strengths where you can. 

I hope I don't suffer too much from the Bottle of Wine I am going to maturely consume within the next few hours.


yes being on drugs affects your performance not your intelligence quotient (IQ) just like carrying 100 kilos in your hands will cause you to stoop unless of course you have a tolerance for the drugs/weight.  this does not mean a test could not tell this or for that matter a series of tests to establish a range. what you are claiming is performance and IQ are equivalent which they are completely different.

if it helps to think of in different terms - a computer with a 750GB harddrive can store roughly 750GB.  do you have to use all 750 GB? no.  Can you increase its capacity? not without adding another harddrive.  Can a virus change its capacity? no but it can change the performance of the machine.  Can the harddrive degrade to hold less than 750GB?  yes.  IQ is loosely like a harddrive capacity.
And it is a fact that humans height peaks at about 35 and declines at about 50. 
As far as chess is concerned, it is completely pattern recognition ~ tactics.  So having a large knowledge base for chess, necessarily increases ones performance unless one is in an altered state. IQ just "determines" how quickly and readily one can access this knowledge.
Finally, I assert that this "temporal IQ" still does not exist.  One's assesment of IQ might, but a person's IQ remains fairly predictable throughout life.  the goal of IQ is to determine the "global capacity of a person to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his environment" is the ideal for IQ which being drunk should not change.  and if it does, then it should be a permanent change for the negative.


The fact is, performance is dependant on health, if you regard "completely drunk" as bad health. The only accurate measurement of IQ is to retest an individual over a length of time. Even then science has ways to increase a persons performance. Send me a PM if you are interested in learning more, and don't even bother to look at my rating at online chess because I played most moves at high speed without always even thinking about the concequences. If you look up my Tactics Trainer rating I got to 2050 maximum and currently reside at 1999, and I refuse to do 1 more problem because I am no longer a premium member and statistically I am more likely to fail the first 3 problems in a session of 25.

So how did I go from 1750 to 2000 in 8 weeks? Drinking ? No.

ivandh

Drinking is good

so are cats

__vxD_mAte

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druggedbug
Guys, you need to do research. Here is a link defending my original post: http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/can-you-increase-iq-score
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