nothing to see here

Here is the cylinder seal i mentioned.

Notice in the background a sumerian depiction of the solar system with 11 bodies orbiting the sun.

bex,

people likely were planting crops before the invention of the calendar but i bet the success rate of the crops was increased by using the stars to figure out the correct times to plant them.  you say it is second nature, but i sincerly doubt that is to be the case.  if you get a warm front in january and plant your crops and get a freeze in february they are going to die.  we know that, and they probably knew that.  but how do you know that a particular warm spell is the first sign of spring and not a fluke during the winter.  the same idea will apply for all seasons.  also, isn't a theory for why tribes were small before civilizaiton began because of the difficulty in having enough crops to feed a larger group of people? 

as for the mesoamerican monuments, a lot of information from the past has been lost.  today, people study these things and make theories from where they come from.  i don't think that the claim that they were built by the gods and the fact that we haven't discovered evedence of who built them means that they were in fact built by gods. 

for my ingorance on the sumarians, i don't think that i can sit here for an hour with a few google searches and learn what i would need to know in order to understand what scholars spend their entire lives studying.  i see a sun and several spots circling it.  it looks like that could be an idea of 11 planets (or whatever, since i think you said the moon was included in their planets).  but i don't think that is the only explanation.  it could be five planets and their six favorite stars.  again, an google search is not going to give me what i would need to interpret this fairly and form an opinion. 

for the egyptians, they claimed to be god.  years later the european moncarchs claimed to be appointed by god.  it is not a unique idea.  did they have power before, certainly.  they ruled empires.  but it certainly is more difficult to oppose a god or an appointee of god than just a guy who became leader.  the more awesome you can convince someone you are the more likely they are to follow.  "you there, build me a pyramid".  "but pharoe, i am going to die".  "yes, but i am your god, who are you to defy me?" goes a long way.  just because it was claimed at the time does not mean that it was literally true. 

so, the rocks again.  i don't think this issue is really resolvable.  i argue that you get enough people together you can get big rocks moved with the limited tools that they had at the time.  today, could we get 1000 guys together to move a 100 ton rock up a mountain.  probably.  would it be easy?  no.  do we know how?  no, we are out of practice with that sort of thing.  could we figure it out.  i bet we could.  forget moving them for a second.  i have more trouble figuring out how they cut out nice little 100 ton rectangles from the quarry.  moving it seems easy by comparison.  but i still don't think that means people couldn't do it. 

people today are still convinced their gods have visited them and are waiting for them to return.  people over 2000 years after christ, have never actaually seen christ or anyone who has seen christ.  but they have faith that he existed and will come back for them.  people's beliefs do not offer proof of christ, they offer proof of faith. 

I see your point but there are far too many coincidences for there not to be something to this.

The bodies orbiting the sun above certainly were not stars, this is in fact an accurate depiction of the solar system with each planet (including the moon) in its correct position you may not be able to learn everything there is to know in an hour or two but you could spend spend some time looking further into it, i recommend Z. Sitchins earth chronicles series of 7 books, You can order them off the internet for a couple of quid or dollars each, these will provide you with many other sources if you want to look further, however Sitchins presentation alone should be highly convincing. I noticed there were far too many coincidences on these matters even before i knew scholars took them seriously, I looked further and am positive that i am on the right lines as the scholars in many cases have confirmed my ideas which perhaps was the most shocking thing in my life so far, as there was a point when i had discounted that extraterrestrials would ever be interested in this little rock on which we live, I can now see why they would be and how they could be the source for humans full stop, never mind human ingenuity, religion, pyramids and temples etc.

You are correct when you say that quarrying the materials for such edifices perhaps would be the hardest part, the dressing and smoothing of these stones also would not be easy when the ancient peoples simply should not have had the tools to do this. We know that the stones for stonehenge here in england were moved over 200 miles and although these stones werent quite as big this is still very impressive. Stonehenge is the largest and oldest of the stone circles in europe and in fact is a calender.

You said that later monarchs also claimed to be appointed by god, this is indeed the case but these monarchs are related to the monarchs of old and their bloodline has been preserved and kept pure, it has been shown how the bush familys lineage goes all the way back to the sumerians (which doesnt say a lot for the sumerians) so a better example would be the current british royal family. So although i see your point, claiming divinity is not necessary when you have whips, prisons, colliseums, executions and armies. Here i will mention akhenaaten (probably not spelled right) the father of Tutankhamun, who claimed divinity. Akhenaaten was depicted in his time as having an elongated head, normally monarchs would be depicted in their best light and although his remains show that he did indeed have an elongated head, the images of him are slightly exaggerated as though this was a pleasing feature to him, also it has been shown that his son also had this feature.

As for Yeshua, I believe that he was also a hybrid, there are many reasons for this that i wont mention here but it would explain why people would expect his return.

Thanks for the reply.

Read Zacharia Sitchens books all of them are fascinating ,& the proff is right under your noses .

I love zecharia Sitchin, I have read all of his books and there is much proof contained therein, I have already recommended those books to others on this thread but its good to know there is someone out there that is on the level.

Read the summary in his last book published just 6 months before he died.Thats the proof for all the scientific types.

so how fast is this planet moving?

if its due in december when will we be able to see it? 

how will it stop in earths orbit?

Take a photo of the sun ,when the photo comes out you will see a dark ball thats Niberau also known as planet x .See youtube posts for Niberau or planet X lots out on the web.

http://www.livescience.com/15446-nemesis-star-nibiru-existence-comet-impact.html

http://www.space.com/12564-days-2012-nasa-scientist.html

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch/newsfeatures.cfm?release=2011-230

It will not stop in earths orbit, on its 3600 year journey around its eliptical orbit, it will pass between mars and jupiter, i am certain by then it will be seen with the naked eye, however by then we will be far more worried about what is happening on the earth.

Nibiru was responsible for what we call the deluge, the anunnaki knew this was going to happen and left without warning mankind who they wanted destroyed, except one amongst their ranks, En.Ki instructed one man who was a hybrid to build a vessel, so that him and his bloodline would survive and repopulate the earth.

This was all documented in 6000 year old sumerian texts, the knowledge survives in a highly edited form as the story of noah. In fact ALL of the old testament is a edited form of these Sumerian scriptures, from the creation of the solar system, to the creation of man through genetic manipulation, Eden (actually mesopotamia) through the deluge, and the repopulation of the earth etc etc so anybody who contests the ideas presented here would do well to seek out the original and undisputable truth unedited by those who seek control.

There is only one way that the sumerians and all high civilisations that followed could obtain the information that they had and i shouldnt have to spell it out.

At last someone who is not blind to the truth ,most people are so frightened to learn of these truths that they refuse to beleive or ridicule it.Ever wonder why so many secret underground bases are being built ? Extreme solar flairs are also coming from all the planets lining up & a sudden pole shift ,like when the wholley mamoths froze to death in a instant while grazing in lush warm meadows to instant freeze.The mamoths found in Russia still had the butter cups flowers in its mouth in the process of being chewed.The shift caused loads of problems & the animal frooze to death instantly.Watch Jesse Venturas conspiracy theory .

so 1 small group of humans repopulated the earth 6000 yrs ago ?

scientists have found that asian humans DNA is different than european counterparts because they left the african continent thousands of years earlier

how does that fit into your *facts* ?

Mithras  2 words ...ancient astronaughts.

 so when are the planets due to align? or is this more unsubstantiated rhetoric?

 explain how that fits with the world being populated by 1 group 6000 yrs ago?

you cant have your cake and eat it my friend

Oh no ,a non believer in our mist.. . Do some research on the Mayan Calender,the Hopi Indians etc. You don,t expect everything just handed to you or do you ?Read Zachari Sitchens last book ,if thats to much to ask then read the summary in his last book .Thats only a couple pages you should be able to handle that.

Mithras doesn't need to read that stuff.  He's a bloody wizard for cryin' out loud!

The end is near.

From what I've read, designs and construction methods of pyramids around the world varied widely. Egyptian pyramids were built by stacking stone blocks. Central and South American ones were built using retaining walls filled with rubble. Mounds in North America such as the Cahokia Mounds were just big piles of dirt. We are still building monuments today, only our construction methods have advanced to the point at which we don't need to have an enormous base to support the weight of a structure. Thus we no longer build pyramids, because of the waste of energy the large, unnecessary base is.

Generally, their is an obvious record showing that the builders were practicing, learning from their mistakes. For example, in Egypt, you see baby steps such as step pyramids (the step pyramid of Djoser is an example), with a sequence of gradually larger pyramids, followed by obvious mistakes such as the bent pyramid. Central and South American pyramids were also rebuilt time and time again, often on the same site with the rubble from the old building used as fill for the new one. The structures got progressively larger with each re-building. In each situation we see progress from rudimentary beginnings to more grand achievements, a natural progression.