Bible is ****
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Oct 10, 2023
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#161
But we have quite literally declared war against Him, so he we do need forgiveness, we have 100% wronged him
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#163
#201 Well the problem is we were born into sin and we live in sun each and every day when you don’t live and abide with God. For example, you lie every day, think a malice thought or wrong though (by moral standards) no one’s perfect so therefore you break the law if you don’t follow God and his Law
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#164
#204 I haven't declared war on him, I have ignored him throughout my life and have had no more problems than a deist does.
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#168
207 by what you have done in your life you have harmed what he has created, like if you made a beautiful painting, and someone burned your painting, that person would be indebted to you
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#169
#206 Religion tells us we are born in sin, I disagree. No good God would allows us to be born in sin, live in sin and suffer. He would end sin.
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#171
#207 you make a good point. God will never bring anyone into his presence forcefully, if you don’t want him he won’t force you in
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#174
'You are all born evil, you will all suffer, and unless you beg forgiveness and worship me, you will suffer for eternity' does sound good, it sounds like an abusive parent.
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#177
No not at all, however he let man have dominion over Earth. Man chose to sin and disobey God which allowed sun to enter Earth and infect mankind
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#179
This is a very nice conversation, unfortunately topics like this can go nowhere because in religion, belief surpasses both proof and logic. Proof and logic make truth in my opinion. In short, beliefs cannot be drastically changed in terms of religion and as such there is no point using logic against it.