Controversial Topic (Creation vs Evolution 2?)

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I have created (from a couple different sources) the Simple Argument for the Existence of God. I'll post it for you, because this seems like the place to discuss this kind of topic.

The Simple Argument for the Existence of God is this: start by assuming that God does not exist. If God does not exist, then either the universe is an illusion, or it is real. However, I am thinking. Even if I doubt that I am thinking, the doubting implies that I am thinking, because doubting is a mental action and mental actions require thought. Even if I doubt that I’m doubting, I am still doubting (and, therefore, thinking). Thinking implies that I exist, as nothing that doesn’t exist can think. If I exist, then the whole universe can’t be an illusion, because I am part of the universe and I exist. Therefore, the universe isn’t an illusion - it must be real. If the universe is real, then either the universe has existed forever, or it had a beginning. If it had a beginning, something must have made it. But nothing could have made it because nothing existed before it was made. Therefore, it did not have a beginning. If, however, it existed forever, then, according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the universe would have run out of usable energy ages ago (which it clearly has not), because the universe has a finite amount of energy to be used in an infinite period of time. Therefore, it has not existed forever. Since all the possible explanations for the existence of the universe have been disproved if God does not exist, God must exist.

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To answer what you 2 posted, I have to say this: my argument proves that God exists. I never said HOW he made the universe. I never said HOW he made life. I never even said WHAT/WHO God is (although the argument assumes some things about God, which are inherent in the meaning of the word "God": mainly, he is eternal, and he is powerful - it is not necessary for him to be good or kind to create the universe!). I merely proved that God exists because the universe exists. You can't refute that. grin.png

I hope I haven't rubbed too many people the wrong way. But, since my argument proves that Atheists are wrong, and Agnostics no longer have a reason to hold to a middle ground, I imagine I have. meh.png

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God could create directly, but looking at the scientific evidence the big band seems to be the prevalent theory. But on this, I could be wrong, God could be wondering, "Human fools."

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I’m taking this to debate.org
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Alika05 wrote:
I’m taking this to debate.org

I want to see that lol

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True

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Ginarook wrote:

It will likely be exactly the same as here, two immovable rocks having a little chat

That's one thing you have to get used to when discussing this stuff: neither side will ever convince the other. You just have to learn to agree to disagree, which is the REAL meaning of "tolerance".

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GET US NIGHT ON MAFIA RETURNS

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Lol Smosh

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I-am-Smositional wrote:

GET US NIGHT ON MAFIA RETURNS

Please remain calm. I am working on an idea.

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What idea could you possibly have as mod

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Idk did something happen?

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I hope not!

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You'll find out in ~1 day.

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Oh come on

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Same! COME OKNNNNNNN WEREWOLFFFFF

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Pat type right lol

I cam type rIghT

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Science has many limitations.

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But it’s also the reason we know that there was once water on mars.
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Ginarook wrote:

It can most certainly be answered, if we survive long enough for Science to find the answer.

God becomes a factor because we crave certainty over that which is not certain....yet

I always thought religion existed in realms that science can’t touch.

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