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How about the Japanese mosquito bite?
MiaomiaoAlexH wrote:
How about the Japanese mosquito bite?
No idea what that is about...but if you post about it here, be prepared to back it up with reliable sources.
My only point wasn't made about Mr.Raoult though check the other things.
chamo2074 wrote:
My only point wasn't made about Mr.Raoult though check the other things.
Inventor of mRNA vaccines has change of heart...been there, done that in this thread. You can read this, though:
The Pfizer vaccine is not in clinical trials. It is fully approved since August 2021, like any other vaccine (in the US, anyway):
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html#:~:text=Pfizer%2DBioNTech%20(COMIRNATY,COVID%2D19%20Vaccine.
It may have been approved, but the picture I posted shows that it should have been in the 3rd experimental phase til May 2023. In fact that final image is the summary of a report from pfizer.
We can also clearly see risks of side-effects.
Mar 12, 2022
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chamo2074 a écrit :
It may have been approved, but the picture I posted shows that it should have been in the 3rd experimental phase til May 2023. In fact that final image is the summary of a report from pfizer.
We can also clearly see risks of side-effects.
Mar 12, 2022
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Governments couldn't/can't afford to wait for the usual 'FDA-approved' and similiar procedures that take years and years.
How're you going to justify that you had a vaccine and withheld it while tens of thousands are dying?
Most governments have made vaccination voluntary for the general population. While mandating it in particular environments where people would have an option to leave those environments and thereby not be compelled to be vaxxed.
Which is wise. To prevent backlash.
Its a while since I checked - but when I did - very few countries were compelling vaccinations for all citizens.
Indonesia was one. Vatican was another. Also called 'Holy See'.
Maybe there are more now.
I'm pretty sure Canada, France, and Italy are all doing that. Not sure if any of them stopped. (Remember the truckers drama?)
If you can't wait for the approval, I get it, but we have to accept that it's not a 100% safe vaccine yet, so we can't really have a verdict on it.
And compelling (mandating) the population to inject an experimental product into their bodies is totally unethical.
Another reason why we should wait till the study completion date is reached is that a lot of the things that were being told to us ended up being wrong, and new things are being discovered quite frequently. Didn't we think vaccines would prevent transmission?
We started knowing these things over time, that moderna increases risks of myocarditis after the second dose for people under the age of 30, at first it was supposedly unsafe only for under 18.
Now I read a lot of things that suggest vaccines are unsafe, we can't know for sure if these things are correct or not, but my point is since OMICRON isn't that risky after all, and also there has been evidence that the omicron booster is not as effective, why compel the population to get vaccinated? Why vaccinate young and people who aren't vulnerable after an OMICRON infection?
Mar 12, 2022
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#3291
"If you can't wait for the approval, I get it, but we have to accept that it's not a 100% safe vaccine yet, so we can't really have a verdict on it."
"you" is very subjective there.
If you mean the general figurative 'you' then maybe 'you' should qualify that.
"we" is used twice there. Is it an attempt to speak for everybody?
"we" don't have to accept anything. Nor strawman arguments about '100% safe'.
Maybe there's no vaccine in history that's '100%' safe.
'Verdict' is your idea too.
I repeat - tens of thousands of people have been dying of the pandemic.
Every week.
You don't think people should have the right to choose? And protect themselves and their families?
Of course I believe people should have the right to chose. Maybe I've made it unclear. I'm only opposing against mandates and vaccinating young people.
playerafar wrote:
'Wait' and allow the disease to spread some more ?
Vaccines aren't preventing the disease from spreading, look at the Israel graph.
playerafar wrote:
"If you can't wait for the approval, I get it, but we have to accept that it's not a 100% safe vaccine yet, so we can't really have a verdict on it."
"you" is very subjective there.
If you mean the general figurative 'you' then maybe 'you' should qualify that.
"we" is used twice there. Is it an attempt to speak for everybody?
"we" don't have to accept anything. Nor strawman arguments about '100% safe'.
Maybe there's no vaccine in history that's '100%' safe.
'Verdict' is your idea too.
I repeat - tens of thousands of people have been dying of the pandemic.
Every week.
You don't think people should have the right to choose? And protect themselves and their families?
Fine if the governments cannot wait for the approval.
"We" as the general population who is reading news about the subject.
I think I may have been misunderstood. Let me make it clear:
I'm not anti-vax, nor anti-covid vaccine, I'm against vaccine mandates, judge it to be unsafe to vaccinate children and prefer not to get the shot for now.
Mar 12, 2022
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#3297
More and more - the stats have been showing that its the unvaccinated that are getting hit much more. Hit hard. And harder. Fatally.
Maybe I"m supposed to dig up some stats now.
But there's always 'hey my peer review versus your peer review'.
Even Joseph Mercola - arguably the biggest Quack in history -
got 'peer review' backing him up.
I'll google now about the unvaccinated getting hit harder. Much harder.
I don't think I"ll have difficulty finding. 
If I do - I'll delete.
Of course, but the pfizer report from december 2021 suggests we have 0 deaths for people between 0 and 20 caused by an omicron infection, if the image I posted is really from the pfizer report.
I'm not saying that vaccines don't decrease the fatality of the infection. But then again, a person is allowed to chose whether they want to risk a dangerous COVID infection, or vaccine side-effects.
Mar 12, 2022
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This figure here is for UK only.
It may be tough to get 'worldwide' figures -
Hey - link gives the Date ! Nice !
And yes - it gives 'booster' info too.
https://fortune.com/2022/02/04/fully-vaccinated-93-percent-less-likely-covid-death-compared-unvaccinated/
"People who had received three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine or a booster were 93.4% less likely to die of the infection compared to the unvaccinated, according to a new U.K. study published on Friday. "
chamo2074 wrote:
Of course, but the pfizer report from december 2021 suggests we have 0 deaths for people between 0 and 20 caused by an omicron infection, if the image I posted is really from the pfizer report.
I'm not saying that vaccines don't decrease the fatality of the infection. But then again, a person is allowed to chose whether they want to risk a dangerous COVID infection, or vaccine side-effects.
This remains a valid counter-argument
Plus what exactly are we arguing on? Vaccine mandates? Or just making the decision of taking the jab?
Anytime there's valid mainstream science - somebody can always try to publish a challenge.
The more valid and mainstream the science is - the more attention the challenger might get and the more money he makes.
Dr. Joseph Mercola is perhaps the ultimate example.
Are there examples of scientists who went against the mainstream but in a Valid way instead - who proved to be right?
Sure. Lots of those and they always became famous and great and themselves became the 'mainstream'.
Albert Einstein probably the foremost example.