Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

"This thread is heavely monitored by Staff to deter from mis-truths in the medical profession."
I would be curious to know more about that 'monitored by Staff'.
And also more about what posts have 'been deleted'.

The posts that got deleted were made by @Ghost_of_Ninja, somebody who apparently has a history of making posts and deleting them after that (most of them get refuted apparently, from the climate change thread).

The thread is not quite monitored by staff I reckon, it's mostly monitored by @btickler as we all know, he's doing a similar job though. The only difference is him not having access to staff extra features like deleting or editing posts. Whether mods check the thread out every now and then, that's a possibility.

"As for Covid:  I honestly do not know what to believe at this point. I simply know that everyone around me who died, they were all unvaccinated. "

Well they were mostly all over 50  too were'n they?

I take individual countries' reported case rates and deaths with a grain of salt if they are far from the average.  Russia and India, for example, reported almost no cases in the first several months of the pandemic.  That was due to concerted efforts by those governments to suppress the numbers (reported at the time), and when those numbers started to look really absurd next to the numbers from adjacent countries, etc. they eventually had to relent.  This is even easier to do in smaller countries. 

That being said, I have not looked into Senegal, and I like to give the benefit of the doubt...South Korea has some amazing numbers and those are almost certainly due to measures taken.

Yes.  Is there a nitpick there?  I'm only asking because normally that seems to drive your posts...when you feel something I'm posting is inaccurate.

South Korea has been hitting the biggest number of new daily cases for a few days now. (At least when I checked).

As for Senegal, well I assume by 'smaller country' you meant less developed? Or by surface? This has been a trend for most African countries, but with what you posted, there could be some suspicion.

By the way, @Toire has been deleting posts too? What is going on?

There is no rule on the website against deleting posts.
Nor editing posts.
The website provides those buttons so that people can use them.
Posters in this forum are to have authority over other posters' buttons ?  That's a question - and not addressed to anyone in particular.

Regarding posts being renumbered -
a member of chess.com was recently muted site wide.
Which would mean his posts disappear from every forum he's posted in.
Causing renumbering - among other things.
The member name :  @UnclePeet

Either, but I meant smaller in size in this case.

wow.

people aren't always able to be six feet apart. any type of 'normal' interaction does not allow it. 

the vaccines work. with all of the posts you make citing statistics, how could you make such a statement? 

it's a rhetorical question. i don't expect you to provide an adequate response. it's obvious you have an issue with those choosing to get the jabs. 

let's also look at where we are now. most mask mandates have been rescinded-as covid cases rise. most kids are going to school. no way to have a six foot distance between them. see how dumb this is? of course you don't!

while some are completely anti-vax, it is clear that they prevent death. there are also those that get long covid and have not recovered. 

i find it unamusing that people like you play doctor or researcher and make such stupid statements as the one quoted. the vaccines work. if you don't think so, you can take your ivermectin or inject disinfectant. or, do nothing. it will be darwin's theory at work.

what a lame post. go get bent, fool. 

that's as nice as i can be without getting muted for saying what i really think about you.

50 is your starting point??

Oh....I had a friend who died from Covid-19....i'm sad...:((( :_(

this topic, like many others, falls along ideological lines instead of common sense-which isn't so common. 

the fact is that the jabs work. they don't prevent catching covid but they are great at keeping people from dying. 

another issue is that there are many mutations of this version of sars. 

another issue is that the mutations might have potency because so many idiots have refused vaccinations. i have dealt with this. some have told me they think their background in the military excludes them from getting covid.

one person told me covid would be scared to infect him. 

a golf course owner told me heat would eradicate covid (i live in florida).

my belief is that it is these idiots that make covid an issue. with so many unvaxxed, of course it spreads. there is evidence that supports my belief, but, don't tell it to the anti-vaxxers. 

it also doesn't help when a leader promotes ingesting a disinfectant. 

claims it will disappear, with no knowledge about it. 

 I got the shots, I got Covid! I didn't die. Got real sick. Maybe I lived because of the jab and maybe not I don't know but with all my other problems I'm glad I got jabbed.

I posted that because I considered your criteria for mask-wearing to be flawed.

"Nitpick" is a rather unfriendly term?

I have deleted NO posts whatsoever...

Insane misinterpretation on so many points you made.

That post you quoted me for makes a lot more sensw if you actually read what came with it as a context. The said person is actually vaccinated and just taking extra precautions due to having unvaccinated colleagues in the work place. I was arguing against mandates, not against vaccination

 I mentioned many times I fully support one's decision to get the jab, but one should be allowed to refuse without having an obligation And if the obligation is refused, remuneration should be paid at least.

Again twisting my words I never said the vaccine didn't 'work'. In fact, saying something works is so relative and lacks objectivity. It works at what exactly? Who's benefiting? It's the people who were going to develop a serious case. In fact I vaccinated tbe elderly individuals in my family. They WORK with the way you define it but for younger people the risk is more important than the benefit

Sorry I just made the assumption because you were quoted and I couldn't find the post. Deleting started getting confusing.

Appreciate the kind words. It's not my starting point there's a study from the Ontario public health -posted earlier- that shows that considerable difference of fatality numbers between vaxed and unvaxed is only considerable at 50+.

Please don't compare these people to anyone who refused vaccination. They don't represent all the unvaccinated. Some refused because there's a legit risk. 0.02% of death/extremely severe condition as an adverse effect of vaccination in France. 2 every 10,000 doses that's not negligible.

Non-Covid excess death going up and matching vaccination campaigns. Cancer numbers, guillem barre it's all going up. 

I think I understand @AlCzervik 's disapproval well.
Covid disinformation and misinformation.
One malicious - calculated ...  the other foolish and shallow but just as dangerous.
But even worse - Covid Disinfo 'masquerading' as Covid Misinfo.
Persons acting very genteel ...
and whenever exposed - then playing both Dumb and Victim.

Takes several forms.
1)  maintaining that 'masks don't work'.  Of course they work - but that doesn't mean you've got 'immunity and 100% protection' ...   but that's part of the dynamics of Misinfo ...  exploit the shallowness of invalid A or B dichotomies ...  sidestep the scalar nature of the situation - while even referring to numbers and graphs and 'peer review'.
Numbers are all about 'scalar' ...  but the psychology of it is Pernicious.
Includes 'arguments' that if you're vaxxed - you 'don't need' the other measures.   Vaccination isn't A or B either.

2) maintain vaccines 'don't work' - even worse. 
The vaccines are the biggest weapons against Covid.  
But this gets twisted all kinds of ways.

3) terrible misinfo and also Disinfo:  maintain that vaccines 'don't reduce the spread of Covid'.  That kind of foolishness getting a lot of people killed.
People nodding at each other and asserting 'Yeah - the graphs and stats say so.  Seeeee ???'
How would one arrange for such people to think for themselves or to stop pretending they're not doing so - or more technically to get past their Awful Cognitive Disonnances and Cognition biases ?
'Learning' is much easier than unlearning.
That's if unlearning something false - is even desired by whoever.

How much thinking does it take to realize that at whatever rate Covid spread or variant spread could 'circumvent' vaccination - that in those vastly preponderant instances when vaccination causes the immune system to escalate its defenses against the disease ... and then Kill it - then that person is then less likely to spread the disease ?
How much thinking ?

The thinking that the misinformationers are unwilling to do - because that means Unlearning. 
It means a massive attack of disonnance and self-embarassment and even Public Embarassment.  
Add politics to that - ideology - the influence of the Raoults and the Mercolas and the terrrible desire to justify pathetic fear of Needles ...
and what do you get?  A pandemic that's worse than it had to be.

4)  'you won't get the disease if you wear a mask - socially distance - wash your hands' ...  Even Worse still.
Would one even need a link to disprove it ?
Try - some masks are better than others.
If the masks were 100% effective - then how could one mask be better than another ?  Higher quality masks are now to be Frauds ??
When illogic is exposed - what is often seen is another kind of psychology -
whoever feels he's not being allowed to wag his tail.
So whoever wants to wag his dog instead.
No names.  I have Not mentioned any username here.
Those who attach this post to their behaviour because they have guilty feelings - are just that.  Guilty.  
No username.  But what usernames are now likely to object ?
Those who identify their own behaviour described in this post. 
And whoever who wants to protect that behaviour.