Covid-19 Discussion (moderated) - Chess Forums - Page 89

DiogenesDue · 2020-04-02T01:04:31-07:00

Starting a new thread since people could not keep from talking about politics unrelated to the outbreak and got the "How safe is it to go to tournaments right now?" thread locked. Be forewarned. The follow kinds of posts will result in a block: - Politically-leaning posts that are not relate

Strangemover

Dec 11, 2020

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#1761

B1ZMARK wrote:

UnclePeet wrote:

This is America. We aren’t dictatorial and our leaders do not rule over us like kings.

Trump did exactly as he was recommended at the time:

The problem here is that no decisive measures were taken in the time of crisis, because they were too worried about being appealing to the voters. And "following recommendations" seems like a really convenient excuse. If I recall correctly the Nazi WW2 ringleaders used the exact same argument in Nuremberg - but except in that case it didn't work.

Foolish to connect anything that has happened this year to Nazis and Nuremberg. Systematic genocide vs the questionable management of a pandemic are not comparable.

Zidanefre

Dec 11, 2020

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#1762

Strangemover wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

UnclePeet wrote:

This is America. We aren’t dictatorial and our leaders do not rule over us like kings.

Trump did exactly as he was recommended at the time:

The problem here is that no decisive measures were taken in the time of crisis, because they were too worried about being appealing to the voters. And "following recommendations" seems like a really convenient excuse. If I recall correctly the Nazi WW2 ringleaders used the exact same argument in Nuremberg - but except in that case it didn't work.

Foolish to connect anything that has happened this year to Nazis and Nuremberg. Systematic genocide vs the questionable management of a pandemic are not comparable.

True. Wasn't sure how else to make the point that "I was just doing what I was told to do" feels like a really weak argument.

DiogenesDue

Dec 11, 2020

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#1763

B1ZMARK wrote:

True. Wasn't sure how else to make the point that "I was just doing what I was told to do" feels like a really weak argument.

It's a moot point now. Uncle Peet was sent away to a farm upstate. Guess now I can get some sleep...

Strangemover

Dec 11, 2020

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#1764

B1ZMARK wrote:

Strangemover wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

UnclePeet wrote:

This is America. We aren’t dictatorial and our leaders do not rule over us like kings.

Trump did exactly as he was recommended at the time:

The problem here is that no decisive measures were taken in the time of crisis, because they were too worried about being appealing to the voters. And "following recommendations" seems like a really convenient excuse. If I recall correctly the Nazi WW2 ringleaders used the exact same argument in Nuremberg - but except in that case it didn't work.

Foolish to connect anything that has happened this year to Nazis and Nuremberg. Systematic genocide vs the questionable management of a pandemic are not comparable.

True. Wasn't sure how else to make the point that "I was just doing what I was told to do" feels like a really weak argument.

This is interesting because we as individual citizens are now 'following reccomendations' (laws in some cases) and doing as we are told. Indeed regardless of the pandemic we are often guided by the advice of 'experts', particularly in the area of health and lifestyle.

Zidanefre

Dec 11, 2020

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#1765

Strangemover wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

Strangemover wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

UnclePeet wrote:

This is America. We aren’t dictatorial and our leaders do not rule over us like kings.

Trump did exactly as he was recommended at the time:

The problem here is that no decisive measures were taken in the time of crisis, because they were too worried about being appealing to the voters. And "following recommendations" seems like a really convenient excuse. If I recall correctly the Nazi WW2 ringleaders used the exact same argument in Nuremberg - but except in that case it didn't work.

Foolish to connect anything that has happened this year to Nazis and Nuremberg. Systematic genocide vs the questionable management of a pandemic are not comparable.

True. Wasn't sure how else to make the point that "I was just doing what I was told to do" feels like a really weak argument.

This is interesting because we as individual citizens are now 'following reccomendations' (laws in some cases) and doing as we are told. Indeed regardless of the pandemic we are often guided by the advice of 'experts', particularly in the area of health and lifestyle.

Yes. Don't think there's anything wrong with following recommendations, but when it's used as an excuse by leaders it just feels off.

Strangemover

Dec 11, 2020

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#1766

How else are they expected to make policy decisions?

Zidanefre

Dec 11, 2020

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#1767

Don't know. Just putting my thoughts out there.

Zidanefre

Dec 11, 2020

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#1768

It's impossible to catagorize anyone into either "follower" or "rebel". There's always an in-between. Sometimes rebelling can be bad, like if it hinders a war effort. But other times rebelling is good, like the American Revolution. You can't just cliche someone into "that's just what a blind follower would say".

Marie-AnneLiz

Dec 11, 2020

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#1769

UnclePeet a écrit :

So you can’t follow how quotes about locking down the economy are related in any way to each other or the previous posts which were discussing the merits of early lockdowns.

I see now.

And why are you repetitively winking at me?

You trying to tell me you like me?

The goal was never about looking down the economy it was always to be sure to not overload the health care system;of course you have a hard time understanding that!

Marie-AnneLiz

Dec 11, 2020

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#1770

UnclePeet a écrit :

Opoooh and here come the insults...how very quaint.

Pardon me if I might seem a little tired of listening to people who hide in their homes eating bon bons and telling me how t hi mega are in my own country when I’ve been an essential worker since day 1 working in the hardest hit city on earth.

If you are has essential has Trump well I understand why you are so out of touch of the reality of the healthcare workers and the other that need to be protected!

Marie-AnneLiz

Dec 11, 2020

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#1771

Strangemover a écrit :

B1ZMARK wrote:

UnclePeet wrote:

This is America. We aren’t dictatorial and our leaders do not rule over us like kings.

Trump did exactly as he was recommended at the time:

The problem here is that no decisive measures were taken in the time of crisis, because they were too worried about being appealing to the voters. And "following recommendations" seems like a really convenient excuse. If I recall correctly the Nazi WW2 ringleaders used the exact same argument in Nuremberg - but except in that case it didn't work.

Foolish to connect anything that has happened this year to Nazis and Nuremberg. Systematic genocide vs the questionable management of a pandemic are not comparable.

Are you saying that Trump did show in any of his decisions the he care about immigrants or their children..are you clearly stating that he is not racist?

Or that he care about the covid-19 victims?

Marie-AnneLiz

Dec 11, 2020

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#1772

B1ZMARK a écrit :

Don't know. Just putting my thoughts out there.

Think a bit harder! you care about the health of the population or you care about the opinion of the guy who know nothing about this virus?

Zidanefre

Dec 11, 2020

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#1773

Don't know enough for a qualified opinion... I don't even know what he means by "policy decisions" lol

Strangemover

Dec 11, 2020

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#1774

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

Strangemover a écrit :

B1ZMARK wrote:

UnclePeet wrote:

This is America. We aren’t dictatorial and our leaders do not rule over us like kings.

Trump did exactly as he was recommended at the time:

The problem here is that no decisive measures were taken in the time of crisis, because they were too worried about being appealing to the voters. And "following recommendations" seems like a really convenient excuse. If I recall correctly the Nazi WW2 ringleaders used the exact same argument in Nuremberg - but except in that case it didn't work.

Foolish to connect anything that has happened this year to Nazis and Nuremberg. Systematic genocide vs the questionable management of a pandemic are not comparable.

Are you saying that Trump did show in any of his decisions the he care about immigrants or their children..are you clearly stating that he is not racist?

Or that he care about the covid-19 victims?

I'm not sure if you are asking myself these questions or the other 2 posters in this trail but regardless I would just say that the problem with reading between the lines is that you read things which aren't there.

Strangemover

Dec 11, 2020

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#1775

B1ZMARK wrote:

Don't know enough for a qualified opinion... I don't even know what he means by "policy decisions" lol

I'm just saying that government decisions usually are made on the basis of advice from experts and specialists in each particular field - in this case medical experts when deciding how best to manage the spread of this virus.

Zidanefre

Dec 11, 2020

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#1776

Strangemover wrote:

B1ZMARK wrote:

Don't know enough for a qualified opinion... I don't even know what he means by "policy decisions" lol

I'm just saying that government decisions usually are made on the basis of advice from experts and specialists in each particular field - in this case medical experts when deciding how best to manage the spread of this virus.

I see.

Toire

Dec 11, 2020

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#1777

The earlier comment mentioning "votes" was interesting, as I consider that the pandemic response in the USA would have been substantially different if it had not been an election year.

"Votes" also come to mind when it is so obvious on this Thread where the political leanings of the regular posters are based.

Politics has no place in dealing with this awful pandemic.

DiogenesDue

Dec 11, 2020

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#1778

Dave_E wrote:

Sorry, I think you’re the one that doesn’t get it. Spoken like a true follower. The burden of proof is on you no less than on me. We end up in a draw. I won’t last long here because I don’t think and talk like you..., geese, what college campus doesn’t do that? And I meant heard mentality. Think about it.

Lol. Nice try at a save, but if you think "heard mentality" was clever or something, what about "heard immunity" which you also said? Also clever in your mind? Because it's pretty sophomoric...

"Hey, did you "hear" the news about heard immunity? I saw it on...wait for it...the Co-Video! Is this mic on? In Soviet Russia, Covid gets you!"

The notion that because we both have taken sides on this that we share a burden of proof for your argument's validity isn't going anywhere. You came to a thread that specifically calls for posters to meet a certain level of support/backup when posting facts/ideas. It's not even that hard. There are plenty of fluff pieces out there from legit sources that you can quote to still support dubious arguments .

DiogenesDue

Dec 11, 2020

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#1779

Toire wrote:

The earlier comment mentioning "votes" was interesting, as I consider that the pandemic response in the USA would have been substantially different if it had not been an election year.

"Votes" also come to mind when it is so obvious on this Thread where the political leanings of the regular posters are based.

Politics has no place in dealing with this awful pandemic.

It's obvious anywhere in the US that Covid is discussed. That is the natural result of one set of people trying to wave off/wish away something like a pandemic on everyone else's behalf. The fact that in this case a head-in-the-sand mindset (or lack of same) gives away one's political leanings is sad, but unavoidable.

DiogenesDue

Dec 11, 2020

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#1780

Dave_E wrote:

Well that pretty much does it. You’re awesome, intelligent, obviously know everything. The world according to tickler. You’re correct, anyone with a different point of view is wrong. The argument could go on for days, but to what end? See ya Sport. Stay safe.

See, I said none of those things. There's nothing "wrong" for me to go after, you never even met that initial hurdle of presenting anything robust enough for discussion. I reiterated a call for supporting links and backup in your posts to even get started, you couldn't hang. Your departure point happens to fall right on the threshold of you having to make some kind of effort.

Funny how that seems to work for some people. Cya.