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ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
There are a lot more humans on this planet than in the past so of course the statistics will be much higher....
ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
That depends on how they are counted. Yesterday in our state we had 21 new deaths. 13, or about 2/3, were over the age of 80. That's a similar pattern that's been repeated all year. A friend of mines mother in law died two weeks ago. He was just livid because they called it a covid death. I knew her, and it's truly a miracle she lived this long. Her days were numbered many years ago and even though she died of something else BECAUSE she also had covid, it's called a covid death. It's probably similar to elections. It's not who votes, or how many people vote. It's who counts the votes that matters.
Dec 18, 2020
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#1647
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
That depends on how they are counted. Yesterday in our state we had 21 new deaths. 13, or about 2/3, were over the age of 80. That's a similar pattern that's been repeated all year. A friend of mines mother in law died two weeks ago. He was just livid because they called it a covid death. I knew her, and it's truly a miracle she lived this long. Her days were numbered many years ago and even though she died of something else BECAUSE she also had covid, it's called a covid death. It's probably similar to elections. It's not who votes, or how many people vote. It's who counts the votes that matters.
Now we’ve come full circle to your explanation for excess deaths, that are reported from sources outside of U.S. politics. No government is capable of covering up 350,000 deaths. Do you realize the number of co-conspirators it would take to pull off a scam that large? 350,000 more people have died in the March to December timeframe, than in any other year over the past 100 years, and your explanation seems to be that “they eventually would have died anyway?” What is your explanation for the excess death count?
frankooo wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
There are a lot more humans on this planet than in the past so of course the statistics will be much higher....
We have 100 years of medical advances since then...?
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
That depends on how they are counted. Yesterday in our state we had 21 new deaths. 13, or about 2/3, were over the age of 80. That's a similar pattern that's been repeated all year. A friend of mines mother in law died two weeks ago. He was just livid because they called it a covid death. I knew her, and it's truly a miracle she lived this long. Her days were numbered many years ago and even though she died of something else BECAUSE she also had covid, it's called a covid death. It's probably similar to elections. It's not who votes, or how many people vote. It's who counts the votes that matters.
Now we’ve come full circle to your explanation for excess deaths, that are reported from sources outside of U.S. politics. No government is capable of covering up 350,000 deaths. Do you realize the number of co-conspirators it would take to pull off a scam that large? 350,000 more people have died in the March to December timeframe, than in any other year over the past 100 years, and your explanation seems to be that “they eventually would have died anyway?” What is your explanation for the excess death count?
I didn't say there were excess deaths. I said they are reported differently, state by state. And even country by country. Some countries call them covid deaths, others name the actual cause of death. I don't doubt deaths are up this year, and not just from the covid either. But I do doubt they are all caused from covid. Some categories of death have even gone down. Like someone else said, nobody ever dies of stroke anymore.
Dec 18, 2020
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#1650
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
That depends on how they are counted. Yesterday in our state we had 21 new deaths. 13, or about 2/3, were over the age of 80. That's a similar pattern that's been repeated all year. A friend of mines mother in law died two weeks ago. He was just livid because they called it a covid death. I knew her, and it's truly a miracle she lived this long. Her days were numbered many years ago and even though she died of something else BECAUSE she also had covid, it's called a covid death. It's probably similar to elections. It's not who votes, or how many people vote. It's who counts the votes that matters.
Now we’ve come full circle to your explanation for excess deaths, that are reported from sources outside of U.S. politics. No government is capable of covering up 350,000 deaths. Do you realize the number of co-conspirators it would take to pull off a scam that large? 350,000 more people have died in the March to December timeframe, than in any other year over the past 100 years, and your explanation seems to be that “they eventually would have died anyway?” What is your explanation for the excess death count?
I didn't say there were excess deaths. I said they are reported differently, state by state. And even country by country. Some countries call them covid deaths, others name the actual cause of death. I don't doubt deaths are up this year, and not just from the covid either. But I do doubt they are all caused from covid. Some categories of death have even gone down. Like someone else said, nobody ever dies of stroke anymore.
So you believe it is a conspiracy? People die of strokes every day. The statistic is easy to find for those willing to look. I’d go so far as to say stroke deaths have increased during Covid, as cardiovascular deaths have increased. The excess death rate is running about 20% higher than the Covid death count, and that is explained by addition stroke deaths, heat attacks, drug overdose, suicide, and a litany of other causes that are Covid stress related.
No, it's not a conspiracy in any way. In our state they openly admit that all deaths were someone has covid is counted as a covid death. Regardless of the cause of death. The 2018 flu year had about 35,000 deaths. Many more depending on who you ask. Now, what if deaths were not just counted as people who die of the flu, but everyone who dies but also had the flu? Roughly 35 million people had the flu that year. It's not a conspiracy, it would just be nice if they counted them the same way.
btickler wrote:
frankooo wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
There are a lot more humans on this planet than in the past so of course the statistics will be much higher....
We have 100 years of medical advances since then...?
Yes but medical advances can only go so far as viruses can mutate to resistance forms over time rendering vaccines useless to eliminate them....
Dec 18, 2020
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#1653
lfPatriotGames wrote:
No, it's not a conspiracy in any way. In our state they openly admit that all deaths were someone has covid is counted as a covid death. Regardless of the cause of death. The 2018 flu year had about 35,000 deaths. Many more depending on who you ask. Now, what if deaths were not just counted as people who die of the flu, but everyone who dies but also had the flu? Roughly 35 million people had the flu that year. It's not a conspiracy, it would just be nice if they counted them the same way.
You still don’t account for the spike in deaths. There is a spike in deaths of nearly 500,000 over previous years. Are you saying that you believe those should be labeled differently? Is your argument Symantec? Do you deny the death count? If you truly believe the majority of excess deaths are due to our government locking down the people, then you are stating that our government is committing genocide against our own population. These deaths would then be casualties of war, and we should be taking up arms. Is this what you believe?
frankooo wrote:
btickler wrote:
frankooo wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
There are a lot more humans on this planet than in the past so of course the statistics will be much higher....
We have 100 years of medical advances since then...?
Yes but medical advances can only go so far as viruses can mutate to resistance forms over time rendering vaccines useless to eliminate them....
Your post implied that the totals between the two pandemics would only be different because of increased world population and no other factors. This is not the case 
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ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
No, it's not a conspiracy in any way. In our state they openly admit that all deaths were someone has covid is counted as a covid death. Regardless of the cause of death. The 2018 flu year had about 35,000 deaths. Many more depending on who you ask. Now, what if deaths were not just counted as people who die of the flu, but everyone who dies but also had the flu? Roughly 35 million people had the flu that year. It's not a conspiracy, it would just be nice if they counted them the same way.
You still don’t account for the spike in deaths. There is a spike in deaths of nearly 500,000 over previous years. Are you saying that you believe those should be labeled differently? Is your argument Symantec? Do you deny the death count? If you truly believe the majority of excess deaths are due to our government locking down the people, then you are stating that our government is committing genocide against our own population. These deaths would then be casualties of war, and we should be taking up arms. Is this what you believe?
I haven't seen any spike in overall deaths. But if there is, maybe it's from what you say. Maybe it's from suicide, stress related heart attacks, drug overdose, etc. Could also be delayed effects from hospitals shut down. Probably not a good idea to put off hospital visits. The fact most covid related deaths are in old people is interesting, since that is the category that is most likely to need regular medical visits. Also the category that is (was) most likely to delay going to the hospitals when they were shut limiting visits.
Dec 18, 2020
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#1656
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
No, it's not a conspiracy in any way. In our state they openly admit that all deaths were someone has covid is counted as a covid death. Regardless of the cause of death. The 2018 flu year had about 35,000 deaths. Many more depending on who you ask. Now, what if deaths were not just counted as people who die of the flu, but everyone who dies but also had the flu? Roughly 35 million people had the flu that year. It's not a conspiracy, it would just be nice if they counted them the same way.
You still don’t account for the spike in deaths. There is a spike in deaths of nearly 500,000 over previous years. Are you saying that you believe those should be labeled differently? Is your argument Symantec? Do you deny the death count? If you truly believe the majority of excess deaths are due to our government locking down the people, then you are stating that our government is committing genocide against our own population. These deaths would then be casualties of war, and we should be taking up arms. Is this what you believe?
I haven't seen any spike in overall deaths. But if there is, maybe it's from what you say. Maybe it's from suicide, stress related heart attacks, drug overdose, etc. Could also be delayed effects from hospitals shut down. Probably not a good idea to put off hospital visits. The fact most covid related deaths are in old people is interesting, since that is the category that is most likely to need regular medical visits. Also the category that is (was) most likely to delay going to the hospitals when they were shut limiting visits.
Type “Covid excess death chart” into Google. Pick a chart from any and every country. They all agree. There is a global spike in deaths that exceeds the claimed Covid death count.
1st off, some people here have no idea whatsoever about how the votes are counted! Pity
2nd, the person dying (having Covid) is counted as Covid death as this has accelerated the death, which otherwise would not have resulted in death.
It is really that hard to understand such basic things?
frankooo wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
By the end of December, factoring in the current active infections of over 7 million, with 3,000+ new cases per day, the number of Covid deaths in the U.S. will have surpassed the death toll from the 1918 Spanish flu.
There are a lot more humans on this planet than in the past so of course the statistics will be much higher....
Humans have gained much more knowledge and advancements in science, which has made us understand things much better now than during the Spanish flu. Also we know how to avoid the spread and could safeguard us from this! Only we need to follow it
Dec 18, 2020
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#1659
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
No, it's not a conspiracy in any way. In our state they openly admit that all deaths were someone has covid is counted as a covid death. Regardless of the cause of death. The 2018 flu year had about 35,000 deaths. Many more depending on who you ask. Now, what if deaths were not just counted as people who die of the flu, but everyone who dies but also had the flu? Roughly 35 million people had the flu that year. It's not a conspiracy, it would just be nice if they counted them the same way.
You still don’t account for the spike in deaths. There is a spike in deaths of nearly 500,000 over previous years. Are you saying that you believe those should be labeled differently? Is your argument Symantec? Do you deny the death count? If you truly believe the majority of excess deaths are due to our government locking down the people, then you are stating that our government is committing genocide against our own population. These deaths would then be casualties of war, and we should be taking up arms. Is this what you believe?
I haven't seen any spike in overall deaths. But if there is, maybe it's from what you say. Maybe it's from suicide, stress related heart attacks, drug overdose, etc. Could also be delayed effects from hospitals shut down. Probably not a good idea to put off hospital visits. The fact most covid related deaths are in old people is interesting, since that is the category that is most likely to need regular medical visits. Also the category that is (was) most likely to delay going to the hospitals when they were shut limiting visits.
Just wondering what is meant by "death rate"? The official numbers will not be available for 2020 until January 2021 because the year is not over. However, the projected data I looked at shows the annual chance of death for an individual at 1.12% for both 2019 and 2020, and the death rate per thousand slightly higher for 2020 but not much. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
Got to think of their own