Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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noodles2112 wrote:

does that somehow "differ" from "atmospheric drag/conservation of momentum" ?

It is an entirely separate thing, so yes it does

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noodles2112 wrote:

"This is the first time we are going to send humans to the moon and we are going to have humans in low earth orbit"

exactly what are they trying to say here - 

humans allegedly have been spinning around the globe for decades - since Sputnik -
<< Inaccuracy: Sputnik was unmanned. Not sure what you're trying to say here >>

humans allegedly went to the moon 6 times 50 years ago 
<< Indeed they did. >>

so when they say this is the First time - that is obviously erroneous ! 
<< What they meant was it would be the first time that there would simultaneously be humans around the Moon and in Earth orbit. During the Apollo missions there was no space station in low Earth orbit. >>

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okay -- so they are making a statement about man on the moon & ISS simultaneously for the first time --------- as though it is a ------------------ "Giant Leap for Mankind" -----------------of course it has yet to transpire ---------------------- have to wait till 2027/2028 or longer!

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noodles2112 wrote:

okay -- so they are making a statement about man on the moon & ISS simultaneously for the first time ----------------------------- as though it is a ------------------ "Giant Leap for Mankind" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------of course it has yet to transpire ----------------------------------------- have to wait till 2027/2028 or longer!

...Is 6545 km / 4067 mi / 93.5 million Big Macs not close enough to be "to" the Moon? (No one said "on")

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as far as atmospheric drag/conservation of momentum being "an entirely separate thing" --- not sure how that is separated/excluded from "rocket science" !

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History-returned wrote:
playerafar wrote:
Elroch wrote:

It's a fake quote, that's what's up with it. You are one of the most consistently wrong people I have ever met!

@Elroch
I agree with you about noodles - in other words he's also one of the most consistently wrong people I have ever met too.
But where we might differ is that - to me - his wrongness is intentional.
Or maybe we agree on that too.
And with such wrongness by him - there's motives. Payoffs. Strategies and tactics.
Even what he sees as 'benefits'. Quite a list.
And he has an agenda. Goals here. He practically blurted it out some posts ago.
His wrongness isn't 'randomness'.

Yes. His agenda is to hijack threads as he has done for many years. What he actually believes is immaterial. What he actually does is obvious

Why he is allowed to here only Elroch can answer.

My point is that in order to escape blocking - he will often only ask 'talking point questions' instead of attacking all of science. His main tactic.
But whenever he does go back to that main tactic of his - then some will be likely to both ridicule his positions and also attack him personally.
It often doesn't occur to those people doing so - that when they do that then they're giving him something he's both looking for and is prepared for.
Similiar with EE - but EE doesn't attack all of science.
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forum topic concerns randomness:
couldn't find a good randomness joke on the net just now.
why did the two dice cross the road?

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noodles2112 wrote:

as far as atmospheric drag/conservation of momentum being "an entirely separate thing" --- not sure how that is separated/excluded from "rocket science" !

When I said "an entirely separate thing" I meant it was an entirely separate thing from speeds being relative to a frame of reference.

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oh - okay - so going around the moon while people are floating around in the ISS -- is the point ------- so its a first for the Guinness books !happy.png

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indeed "relative" is the keyword !

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noodles2112 wrote:

oh - okay - so going around the moon while people are floating around in the ISS -- is the point ------- so its a first for the Guinness books !

I don't quite understand why they focused on that part either, but oh well.

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I think what most really wants to see is --------- "man/first woman -------- walking on the moon" !happy.png

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Elroch wrote:

You rightly draw attention to the fact that re-entry is about transferring momentum from the craft to the atmosphere. Of course this generates a large amount of heat, because the kinetic energy is greatly reduced (momentum is proportional to velocity, kinetic energy to velocity squared).

The spacecraft undergoing re-entry and thus slowing down and its speed and direction then matching the orbital speed and direction of the earth's orbit (and the earth's spinning too- at that latitude) is an example of entropy in action.
Where I'm referring to entropy as a process rather than a result or 'just a result'.
But as to whether that entropy is making things more random or less random -that depends.
'matching the speed' and getting rid of the speed differential seems to be making things less random both in the design of the action and the process and the result too.

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What about randomness in everyday life?
Like in decision-making?
Boss: 'why are you late?'
'because it rained last night'.

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noodles2112 wrote:

I think what most really wants to see is --------- "man/first woman -------- walking on the moon" !

Almost everyone has seen it. Some are oblivious that they have.

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when did the first woman walk on the moon ?

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You said "man/first woman"
Therefore, it didn't have to be "first woman"

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okay -- you don't think countless women/men worldwide --- are more than eager to see --------------------------------- the "first woman walking on the moon"!

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Never said that either

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"Man walking on the moon", on the other hand, is something that has already happened

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not just once - not just twice - not just thrice -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------but 6 times ----- & they were not just walking & jumping around -------------------------they were riding around in moon-buggies playing golf !! wink.png

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