But yeah, what’s that point of starting a major thread if you can’t keep up with it?
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Jul 29, 2023
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#262
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But yeah, what’s that point of starting a major thread if you can’t keep up with it?
But yeah, what’s that point of starting a major thread if you can’t keep up with it?
I truly believe that Gee-Whiz died for my whims.
Let us all now praise and give thanks to Cheez-Whiz, our savoury.
Jul 29, 2023
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#266
Pegusu wrote:
ghost_of_llama wrote:
ahh_fiddlefaddle wrote:
ghost_of_llama wrote:
Oh, right, we're supposed to talk about the Bible verses that speak to us.
In that case I really like Deuteronomy 14:21
Whenever I'm tempted to boil a baby goat in its mother's milk, I always think back to when God addressed this very subject. It really appeals to my bronze-age, desert-wanderer sensibilities.
As I've a few times in threads shared before that's the Genesis 2 false foundation nostril breather, sounding even as a snorting dragon, that Isaiah 2:22 K J V declares to cease from, and I've posted before to you. =/
Bronze age humans had no germ theory of disease... they didn't know why people got sick, but they did notice certain habits lead to better health... for example not eating animals you find dead (which is mentioned in that verse)... even at the time it was written it had nothing to do with morality, these were likely heuristics passed down orally for who knows how many thousands of years. They eventually got wrapped up inside of a mythology (with supernatural characters giving advice to chosen humans) because humans like stories, so stories are how information survived.
The reason I brought up that verse is because people love to quote scripture about love and forgiveness and all the nice sounding things, but by looking at the whole picture, we see that this is cherry picking... you're forming morality inside of yourself (based on instinct and logic like all humans do) then projecting that onto convenient verses. I.e. it's not the other way around. No one gets their morality from religion.
That was what Peg did, but you're giving a nice example of it too. You've decided which parts of the Bible you like, and that all the parts you don't like are lies... the difference between you and most Christians is you're more honest (or at least obvious) about it
Actually, I read ALL of the Bible, not just the more "pleasant" parts. I don't profess to tell you how YOU think - please don't assume that you know exactly how I think. Thanks!
Since I have a somewhat abrasive style, "don't tell me how I think" is a reasonable criticism to include in your response, but as an entire response it's just middle school level rhetoric. You didn't address a single point I made, and for what it's wroth, idilis' point in referencing God commanding genocide (in one of the first pages of this topic) had exactly the same point... you've had plenty of time to address this idea... don't snipe at me for spelling it out to you.
Jul 29, 2023
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#267
I’m honestly extremely disappointed that you thought it was a good idea to put a pun about cheez whiz on this kind of thread.
Jul 29, 2023
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#268
Pegusu wrote:
idilis wrote:
Pegusu wrote:
Actually, I read ALL of the Bible, not just the more "pleasant" parts.
Unsure even if biblical scholars feel they have "read" all of the Bible. Translations, inconsistencies, unclear authorship, text omissions, scribe mistakes, cultural and historical context, personal belief systems etc get in the way.
The simplest sender message medium receiver communication model is already error prone. Add to that intermediate messengers and translations and context.
I technically read every word in the Bible but I am QUITE sure I didn't understand every word. I sure hope I didn't sound arrogant because I STILL have SO much to learn!
You read the genealogy in Numbers without falling asleep?
And anyway, this style of writing is annoying... how to put it... it's Hallmark-card level communication. "I read all the words but have so much to learn!" Pleasant sounding words that communicate nothing.
Jul 29, 2023
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#269
Eldred_Woodcock wrote:
ghost_of_llama wrote:..The reason I brought up that verse is because people love to quote scripture about love and forgiveness and all the nice sounding things, but by looking at the whole picture, we see that this is cherry picking... you're forming morality inside of yourself (based on instinct and logic like all humans do) then projecting that onto convenient verses. I.e. it's not the other way around. No one gets their morality from religion...
This is why I once said around here somewhere that true Christianity isn't found in the words of the Bible. There are too many conflicting and archaic passages, as you pointed out. Christianity is found between the lines, so to speak. The faith and belief that there is a better way of life (and death).
Yeah, I'm an atheist but I'm also a great proponent of religion in general. I look around and it seems to me that standards of behavior have declined considerably. Religions are some of the few remaining social groups trying to instill some type of value systems on the next generations. I don't care who they worship so long as they don't badger me.
In my mind that's one of the strongest arguments for religion i.e. utility. I once heard it said as "religion is the only ideology that compels otherwise bad people to do good things."
It's a worthy idea, although a cutting response could easily be: "it's also compelled many otherwise good people to do horrible things" (the crusades are low hanging fruit in that regard).
Jul 29, 2023
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#273
That wasn't the point. The idea under examination is/was "although religion may not be technically true, it's useful."
Jul 29, 2023
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#274
TACOC4T471 wrote:
How about we DONT go back to the crusades, ok? Okay.
Yes we don't want an argument. So we will not discuss. And we love Mr woo woo.
History has so much to teach us.
Jul 29, 2023
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#276
ghost_of_llama wrote:
In my mind that's one of the strongest arguments for religion i.e. utility. I once heard it said as "religion is the only ideology that compels otherwise bad people to do good things." *Snip*
To me it's utility is in rituals/routine/habits for mental and physical health.
While intellectuals use the mind to control the body, sometimes using the body to control the mind is required.
Simple things like getting morning sunlight, meditation, moving the body, getting evening sunlight, bathing, gratefulness, sleep. Things that are ignored today by people who have no time for this but can find time to watch Netflix. And they then need to get medicated for depression, body aches, lethargy etc.
Not saying medication is not required in all cases, but first we have to fix our lifestyle and then look at what else is going wrong.
Jul 29, 2023
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#277
idilis wrote:
ghost_of_llama wrote:
In my mind that's one of the strongest arguments for religion i.e. utility. I once heard it said as "religion is the only ideology that compels otherwise bad people to do good things." *Snip*
To me it's utility is in rituals/routine/habits for mental and physical health.
While intellectuals use the mind to control the body, sometimes using the body to control the mind is required.
Simple things like getting morning sunlight, meditation, moving the body, getting evening sunlight, bathing, gratefulness, sleep. Things that are ignored today by people who have no time for this but can find time to watch Netflix. And they then need to get medicated for depression, body aches, lethargy etc.
Not saying medication is not required in all cases, but first we have to fix our lifestyle and then look at what else is going wrong.
I hadn't made that connection to religion, the body controlling the mind, but sure, makes sense.
The important parts of religion IMO are the lessons on treating others well and treating yourself well... how you treat yourself is important and maybe it's often overlooked (as you're saying with medication stuffs).
Of course when I said this to a religious friend he seemed disappointed... apparently for some, how you treat yourself and others isn't as important as praising Jesus.
Jul 29, 2023
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#278
Not by quote***
The Bible has references to that if you take care of your neighbor and yourself, you are respectful to His Creations. Anyways…
The Bible has references to that if you take care of your neighbor and yourself, you are respectful to His Creations. Anyways…
Jul 29, 2023
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#279
ghost_of_llama wrote:
*Snip* apparently for some, how you treat yourself and others isn't as important as praising Jesus.
Perhaps praising Jesus helps with the gratefulness part for people who aren't naturally thankful for everything around them.
Good job moderating your own thread. Keep em all in order.