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Besides the comments already, every country that has ever disarmed itself, they have all been taken over by those who live the way of the warrior. Those who live by the warrior code, they are taken over by the bigger dog as they age. All societies fall.

I prefer to live in a society where I am free to protect myself and those I love from the 30% of our population that doesn’t value truth and honesty. I don’t want to live in a nanny state where I need to call the police and wait while someone burglarizes my home. 
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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The Australians succeeded in taking away hatchets.

I’ll start. And that wasn’t all of my point.

stay in america, australia is not the point its "Freedom USA"

Yes, certainly. But the fact that hatchets can be taken away in Australia means that guns can be taken away in America.

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AG120502 wrote:
ImweirdinAT wrote:
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The Australians succeeded in taking away hatchets.

I’ll start. And that wasn’t all of my point.

stay in america, australia is not the point its "Freedom USA"

Yes, certainly. But the fact that hatchets can be taken away in Australia means that guns can be taken away in America.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled guns cannot be taken away due to our Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.

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ExploringWA wrote:

Besides the comments already, every country that has ever disarmed itself, they have all been taken over by those who live the way of the warrior. Those who live by the warrior code, they are taken over by the bigger dog as they age. All societies fall.

I prefer to live in a society where I am free to protect myself and those I love from the 30% of our population that doesn’t value truth and honesty. I don’t want to live in a nanny state where I need to call the police and wait while someone burglarizes my home. 
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

I’m not quite sure what the way of the warrior is, but I’m going to assume it means being able to protect yourself, and your community.

Force of arms has been important, certainly, but I’m quite sure it’s not the only factor affecting a nation’s strength. In the end, no matter how capable the civilians, it is the military and only the military that will exert force.

30% of the population? Where’d those statistics come from? Ignoring that for the moment, if your home is being burglarised, you’re supposed to call the police. Discharge your firearm at them, and either you hit them in a good spot and take care of them, taking the huge risk of being hit, or you miss, and you now need to have a firefight in your own home. If a burglar breaks in, you should be trying to minimise the risk of them getting you. The police are better equipped to deal with this.

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ExploringWA wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
ImweirdinAT wrote:
AG120502 hat geschrieben:

The Australians succeeded in taking away hatchets.

I’ll start. And that wasn’t all of my point.

stay in america, australia is not the point its "Freedom USA"

Yes, certainly. But the fact that hatchets can be taken away in Australia means that guns can be taken away in America.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled guns cannot be taken away due to our Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.

We were talking about whether it was possible to do this, not if it was legal. Thank you, though.

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AG120502 wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:

Besides the comments already, every country that has ever disarmed itself, they have all been taken over by those who live the way of the warrior. Those who live by the warrior code, they are taken over by the bigger dog as they age. All societies fall.

I prefer to live in a society where I am free to protect myself and those I love from the 30% of our population that doesn’t value truth and honesty. I don’t want to live in a nanny state where I need to call the police and wait while someone burglarizes my home. 
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

I’m not quite sure what the way of the warrior is, but I’m going to assume it means being able to protect yourself, and your community.

Force of arms has been important, certainly, but I’m quite sure it’s not the only factor affecting a nation’s strength. In the end, no matter how capable the civilians, it is the military and only the military that will exert force.

30% of the population? Where’d those statistics come from? Ignoring that for the moment, if your home is being burglarised, you’re supposed to call the police. Discharge your firearm at them, and either you hit them in a good spot and take care of them, taking the huge risk of being hit, or you miss, and you now need to have a firefight in your own home. If a burglar breaks in, you should be trying to minimise the risk of them getting you. The police are better equipped to deal with this.

You believe the police are better equipped and trained to handle a burglar than civilians? Where do you come up with this nonsense? I can put together a civilian marksmanship group in about 10 minutes that will put to shame the best military marksmen in the world. Civilian marksmen spend day after day at gun ranges all over the USA, for decades on end. The best military snipers only have a few years of training. Look at world records and see how many are held by military marksmen.

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People in the usa, school shootings are the leading cause of child death. Allowing guns like that does not fix this.

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yxudih wrote:

People in the usa, school shootings are the leading cause of child death. Allowing guns like that does not fix this.

how about we actually protect our schools, have armed security outside of schools so shooters can't jsut walk in, seems quite simple to me.

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States like Wyoming where everyone has a gun and knows how to use it have very low crime, states like New Mexico where most people don't have guns are much more violent.

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I’m not sure what you’re seeing, but Austria is one of the safest countries in the world, and has been for a long time. I think the way Austria (and a lot of Eastern Europe) controls their guns and doesn’t just allow anyone to have them.
The USA, by the way, ranks very low in public safety.

Youre trying to lecture me on my own country where violent M**ders happen everyday? It WAS safe 10 years ago, right now it’s very unsafe. Also, the thing is, guns arent the problem, it’sthe peopl who possess them. And just because guns arent allowey doesnt mean criminals cant get them illegaly, They are already commiting a bad crime, so illegaly possessing a gun is the least of their problem also, they found a way around it, they now use the much more violent knives. CFAZY RIGHT? Gun control makes violence go up

Since you asked, yes, I’m lecturing you about your own country, since apparently, you don’t realize that you live in one of the safest countries in the world with little (very, very, little) gun crime compared to everywhere else in the world. Gun violence does make violence ‘go up’, which is why the countries with the best gun control ate the safest countries in the world with an extremely low death rate. It isn’t rocket science, my dear.

I’m going to go back to the USA being one of the less safe counties in the world, despite all the money in the world to make it safer. Just think for a second why it may be that it’s like that here.

My grandma could debunk that agrument. Of course gun cime goes down, but what goes up? Every other type of crime! Instead of talking about gun crime, let's just talk about crime in general! It's not rocket science, simple economic principles of alternative products. If there is a shortage of apples, you will buy oranges, if there is a shortage of guns, you will use knives.

Part of the reason the US is so dangerous is population, we have very populated cities, with a lot of bad people in them. Another part of it is mental health we have a lot of psychos here, still like your beloved education system? another part is that a lot of people cannot defend themselves, if we look at where the crime is happening, it is happening where there aren't guns, what does that tell you?

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#111 oh yes the knife one of the deadliest weapons man has ever thought of, who hasn't heard of all of the famous school stabbings which happen in America.

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Bezap wrote:

#111 oh yes the knife one of the deadliest weapons man has ever thought of, who hasn't heard of all of the famous school stabbings which happen in America.

School shootings happen because we don't defend our schools. lots of people get stabbed each year, north of a thousand. And there would be more stabbings if we banned guns because a) that would be the most efficient way, and b) it would be harder to defend yourself, guns are 4.8 times more likely to be used in self defense than for murder.

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Oh yeah, and most schools already would be pretty defended without guns. A camera system and not letting strangers in is quite effective without guns involved.

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#113 school shootings happens because you make it easy for anyone to get guns. most countrys don't have heavy defense on their schools and guess what they still don't have many school shootings. Even if there was more stabbing, how many people can one person kill with a knife, one? Two? Three? Now how many people can someone kill with a gun? And if they are 4.8 times more likely to be used in self defense, it just means they aren't very good at it because if you need 4.8 people to defend with guns against one attacker they aren't the way you should use to protect yourself.

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Allan wrote:

Oh yeah, and most schools already would be pretty defended without guns. A camera system and not letting strangers in is quite effective without guns involved.

Apparently you are wrong or school shootings would not be a problem.

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Bezap wrote:

#113 school shootings happens because you make it easy for anyone to get guns. most countrys don't have heavy defense on their schools and guess what they still don't have many school shootings. Even if there was more stabbing, how many people can one person kill with a knife, one? Two? Three? Now how many people can someone kill with a gun? And if they are 4.8 times more likely to be used in self defense, it just means they aren't very good at it because if you need 4.8 people to defend with guns against one attacker they aren't the way you should use to protect yourself.

why aren't there school shootings in Norway then? They happen because we let armed people walk into our schools.

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how is this post allowed

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#117 the reason could be because they have much tighter gun control laws and that they have much less guns per amount of people.

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#118 it isnt, but why not have fun with it while you can :3

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