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Mid-KnightRider

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AG120502
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

AG120502
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

but if the heat has been increasing and the carbon has been barely increasing, is that really the problem?

Yes. That implies that an imperceptible increase in carbon is causing changes that can be easily perceived.

Elroch
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

And 20 years ago it was also about 0.04%

"About 0.04%" is sloppy ignoring of the change. CO2 is rising at 2.69 ppm per year.

The current level is 426.8 ppm compared to the pre-industrial 270 ppm. The current rate of rise would make levels double that of preindustrial levels in the middle of this century if unchecked.

While it should be obvious that doubling CO2 levels might be significant, it is of course known that such a change has a large effect on temperatures (much of which we have already seen at current levels, about 58% higher than preindustrial levels.

Mid-KnightRider
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

You are missing the part that it was about the same twenty years ago. O3 tough a greenhouse gass, blocks sunlight from the earth cooling us down, and is actually shrinking, maybe that;s why.

AG120502
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

You are missing the part that it was about the same twenty years ago. O3 tough a greenhouse gass, blocks sunlight from the earth cooling us down, and is actually shrinking, maybe that;s why.

As the comment before the one I quoted pointed out, the concentration of CO2 in the air has nearly doubled in about three or four centuries. That is an insignificant timescale in the context of global planetary processes. And while O3 shrinking does contribute, the greenhouse gases are quite significant.

lyand2025

We need to push the earth away from the sun we're getting too close

Mid-KnightRider
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

You are missing the part that it was about the same twenty years ago. O3 tough a greenhouse gass, blocks sunlight from the earth cooling us down, and is actually shrinking, maybe that;s why.

As the comment before the one I quoted pointed out, the concentration of CO2 in the air has nearly doubled in about three or four centuries. That is an insignificant timescale in the context of global planetary processes.

In the last 3 or 4 centuries then why is it that global warming has only rampd up now?

Mid-KnightRider
lyand2025 wrote:

We need to push the earth away from the sun we're getting too close

agreed.

AG120502
lyand2025 wrote:

We need to push the earth away from the sun we're getting too close

Okay. How much closer did you think we’ve gotten in the few hundred thousand years humans have existed?

Mid-KnightRider
AG120502 wrote:
lyand2025 wrote:

We need to push the earth away from the sun we're getting too close

Okay. How much closer did you think we’ve gotten in the few hundred thousand years humans have existed?

It says radical solution.

AG120502
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

You are missing the part that it was about the same twenty years ago. O3 tough a greenhouse gass, blocks sunlight from the earth cooling us down, and is actually shrinking, maybe that;s why.

As the comment before the one I quoted pointed out, the concentration of CO2 in the air has nearly doubled in about three or four centuries. That is an insignificant timescale in the context of global planetary processes.

In the last 3 or 4 centuries then why is it that global warming has only rampd up now?

No, we’ve just discovered it late.

lyand2025

Send a few fans up to the space station

AG120502
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
lyand2025 wrote:

We need to push the earth away from the sun we're getting too close

Okay. How much closer did you think we’ve gotten in the few hundred thousand years humans have existed?

It says radical solution.

Also, is the original statement sarcasm? It’s hard to tell across the internet, especially for people like me.

Mid-KnightRider
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

You are missing the part that it was about the same twenty years ago. O3 tough a greenhouse gass, blocks sunlight from the earth cooling us down, and is actually shrinking, maybe that;s why.

As the comment before the one I quoted pointed out, the concentration of CO2 in the air has nearly doubled in about three or four centuries. That is an insignificant timescale in the context of global planetary processes.

In the last 3 or 4 centuries then why is it that global warming has only rampd up now?

No, we’ve just discovered it late.

No, we haven't can you bring evidence that the earth was heating centuries ago, and if we get 0.2 every few ceenturies, in about a thousand years, we will add one percent.

Mid-KnightRider
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
lyand2025 wrote:

We need to push the earth away from the sun we're getting too close

Okay. How much closer did you think we’ve gotten in the few hundred thousand years humans have existed?

It says radical solution.

Also, is the original statement sarcasm? It’s hard to tell across the internet, especially for people like me.

yup.

Elroch
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

You are missing the part that it was about the same twenty years ago. O3 tough a greenhouse gass, blocks sunlight from the earth cooling us down, and is actually shrinking, maybe that;s why.

As the comment before the one I quoted pointed out, the concentration of CO2 in the air has nearly doubled in about three or four centuries. That is an insignificant timescale in the context of global planetary processes.

In the last 3 or 4 centuries then why is it that global warming has only rampd up now?

No, we’ve just discovered it late.

No, we haven't can you bring evidence that the earth was heating centuries ago, and if we get 0.2 every few ceenturies, in about a thousand years, we will add one percent.

I am guessing your thinking is so sloppy you don't even know what your "one percent" refers to.
The alternative is that you are simply stating wild falsehoods.

Arrogance and ignorance characterise your posts thus far. This discussion is about good information and respectful discussion of the facts, so you may be a poor fit.

Mid-KnightRider
Elroch wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

You are missing the part that it was about the same twenty years ago. O3 tough a greenhouse gass, blocks sunlight from the earth cooling us down, and is actually shrinking, maybe that;s why.

As the comment before the one I quoted pointed out, the concentration of CO2 in the air has nearly doubled in about three or four centuries. That is an insignificant timescale in the context of global planetary processes.

In the last 3 or 4 centuries then why is it that global warming has only rampd up now?

No, we’ve just discovered it late.

No, we haven't can you bring evidence that the earth was heating centuries ago, and if we get 0.2 every few ceenturies, in about a thousand years, we will add one percent.

I am guessing your thinking is so sloppy you don't even know what your "one percent" refers to.
The alternative is that you are simply stating wild falsehoods.

Arrogance and ignorance characterise your posts thus far. This discussion is about good information and respectful discussion of the facts, so you may be a poor fit.

AKA we disagree so get out of here. I have not disrespected anyone or called them sloppy, I have no idea what you are referring to but ok.

Mid-KnightRider

Practice what you preach.

Festers-bester
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
AG120502 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:

what percentage of the air is carbon? and btw, I now make my previous statment "undisputable fact" so you aren't allowed to disagree anymore, sorry.

It seems a bit funny that you don’t seem to understand you don’t need a lot of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to cause catastrophic damage. The sulphur and carbon dioxide aren’t doing a lot of damage. The fact that they trap heat is. You don’t need the percentage to be ten percent to cause major changes. Extreme weather is doing a lot already.

And by the way, chlorine can kill people with ‘only’ a thousand PPM.

it is 0.04% how does 0.04% of the air trap significant heat?

Other greenhouse gases exist, and the sun contributes a lot of energy. The greenhouse gases don’t need to trap a significant percentage. Even, say, 0.01% should be quite a bit. Kind of like how if a share for a thousand dollars goes up by three percent in a month, and you own 10k such shares, you make a nice profit.

You are missing the part that it was about the same twenty years ago. O3 tough a greenhouse gass, blocks sunlight from the earth cooling us down, and is actually shrinking, maybe that;s why.

As the comment before the one I quoted pointed out, the concentration of CO2 in the air has nearly doubled in about three or four centuries. That is an insignificant timescale in the context of global planetary processes.

In the last 3 or 4 centuries then why is it that global warming has only rampd up now?

No, we’ve just discovered it late.

No, we haven't can you bring evidence that the earth was heating centuries ago, and if we get 0.2 every few ceenturies, in about a thousand years, we will add one percent.

You seem to be failing to read and understand words.

The earth has NOT been heating for centuries. The global temperature has remained stable for 8,000 years until the start of the industrial revolution less than 200 years ago. Beginning at the time humans started uncontrolled burning of fossil fuels like coal and oil for manufacturing and power.

This has been identified in the chart you saw and commented on. How many times would you need it to be explained to stop you from asking the same question?