Global warming - an urgent problem requiring radical solution (no politics or religion)

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I think you'd have trouble finding examples of that. I generally just discuss the facts. It is important that people make their decisions based on the facts.

My point about reading about the relevant science was that it would help you develop your ideas (if you want them to be realistic. If you don't, my comment was irrelevant).

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But do you care if they are valid, or just whether they are pleasing to you?

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Does the validity of the ideas have any relevance to that?

[Don't get the wrong impression here: I am not saying you don't have valid ideas, rather that you don't seem to automatically read up on scientific topics that are relevant to your ideas to assess them].

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I agree with the objective.

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s23bog wrote:

What is the objective?

Protecting the natural environment and natural ecology.

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Global warming is fake.

Global climate change is real. Know your terminology
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The idea of harnessing a hurricane is interesting: you have identified a genuinely large energy source.

Of course, the problem is that they are rare, so there is a lot more energy in day to day wind, and that energy is more useful.

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In this warming world, some parts of the planet are warming much faster than others. The warming is causing large ice bodies to start to melt and move rapidly, in some cases sliding into the ocean.
This movement is the topic of a very new scientific study that was just published in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters. The Arctic is warming much faster than other parts of the planet and the ice there is showing the signs of rapid warming. This fact has serious consequences. First, melting ice can cause sea levels to rise and inundate coastal areas – it also makes storms like hurricanes and typhoons more destructive. Melting ice also causes a feedback loop, which can cause more future warming and then more ice loss.

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Titled_Patzer wrote:

In this warming world, some parts of the planet are warming much faster than others. The warming is causing large ice bodies to start to melt and move rapidly, in some cases sliding into the ocean.
This movement is the topic of a very new scientific study that was just published in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters. The Arctic is warming much faster than other parts of the planet and the ice there is showing the signs of rapid warming. This fact has serious consequences. First, melting ice can cause sea levels to rise and inundate coastal areas – it also makes storms like hurricanes and typhoons more destructive. Melting ice also causes a feedback loop, which can cause more future warming and then more ice loss.

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Yes and also there is the problem of melting permafrost releasing methane into the atmosphere as well. 

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True. Apparently this is exacerbated by the warmer temperatures encouraging larger plants, another positive feedback effect.

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Global warming is FAKE
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Global warming is real. Man made global warming is fake.
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Some say that we dont. I’m just a humble collector of information. Good points are made on both sides by the alarmists and the deniers
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There is no cause for alarm if we change now. There are other reasons apart from co2 to change to cleaner alternatives and we should remember that fossil fuels will not last forever  - we will have to make a change to other technologies in a few decades anyway. 

But changing is hard because prosperity has become intertwined with fossil fuels - they are a get rich quick scheme for those that dig them up and also the countries that use them. But prosperity can be had also with clean technologies and that becomes even more true the more things change if you see what I mean (initially change is difficult but becomes easier with new infrastructure and cheaper renewables). 

So the question we have to ask is do we jeopardise future generations and development for the sake of a quick 'fix' now. 

And while there might not be need for alarm yet there will definitely be consequences in the future if we do nothing now. 

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Global warming denialists have spent several years trumpeting the fact that the hottest year since records began was 1998 (such a long time ago on the scale of global warming, lol) ignoring the far more relevant fact that almost all of the hottest years ever have been in recent years.

Unfortunately, they now need to deal with the fact that 2014 was the hottest year since records began, which makes their habitual denial that global warming is happening look even more foolish. Funny thing is, these hottest years since records began keep occurring over the last century. Could it be something to do with the fact that warming is occurring, and temperatures are going UP, despite what denialists say?

As for the fluctuations in the upward trend: it is now clear that these are largely explained by fluctuations in the huge amount of heat that is going into the oceans, as more detailed data is making clear.

This is BAD news, so it is good that the recent UN Climate Summit and Climate Change Conference have made slightly more progress toward averting disaster.

 

 

why are people saying this on a CHESS website (Just saying it doesn't make any sense)

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thegoldenknight2003 wrote:
Elroch wrote:

Global warming denialists have spent several years trumpeting the fact that the hottest year since records began was 1998 (such a long time ago on the scale of global warming, lol) ignoring the far more relevant fact that almost all of the hottest years ever have been in recent years.

Unfortunately, they now need to deal with the fact that 2014 was the hottest year since records began, which makes their habitual denial that global warming is happening look even more foolish. Funny thing is, these hottest years since records began keep occurring over the last century. Could it be something to do with the fact that warming is occurring, and temperatures are going UP, despite what denialists say?

As for the fluctuations in the upward trend: it is now clear that these are largely explained by fluctuations in the huge amount of heat that is going into the oceans, as more detailed data is making clear.

This is BAD news, so it is good that the recent UN Climate Summit and Climate Change Conference have made slightly more progress toward averting disaster.

 

 

why are people saying this on a CHESS website (Just saying it doesn't make any sense)

Are you aware in which forum you are? The clue is in the name. "Off Topic".

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Elroch wrote:
thegoldenknight2003 wrote:
Elroch wrote:

Global warming denialists have spent several years trumpeting the fact that the hottest year since records began was 1998 (such a long time ago on the scale of global warming, lol) ignoring the far more relevant fact that almost all of the hottest years ever have been in recent years.

Unfortunately, they now need to deal with the fact that 2014 was the hottest year since records began, which makes their habitual denial that global warming is happening look even more foolish. Funny thing is, these hottest years since records began keep occurring over the last century. Could it be something to do with the fact that warming is occurring, and temperatures are going UP, despite what denialists say?

As for the fluctuations in the upward trend: it is now clear that these are largely explained by fluctuations in the huge amount of heat that is going into the oceans, as more detailed data is making clear.

This is BAD news, so it is good that the recent UN Climate Summit and Climate Change Conference have made slightly more progress toward averting disaster.

 

 

why are people saying this on a CHESS website (Just saying it doesn't make any sense)

Are you aware in which forum you are? The clue is in the name. "Off Topic".

I don't think I'm a forum

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s23bog wrote:

You know people are only allowed to discuss Chess on chess.com.  Grow up, @Elroch!

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I am a bit puzzled how thegoldenknight2003 doesn't know he is in a forum!

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For anyone who thinks that a bit of warming will be beneficial or will have only small consequences-

I suggest you read this article ...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/02/trump-administration-planet-boil-refugee-camps

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This would partly be carbon sequestration, which usually means the storing of waste CO2 somewhere other than the atmosphere.  On individual vehicles it is virtually impossible. For one thing the mass of CO2 from burning fuels is much larger than the mass of the fuel, but a bigger problem is the volume: this is of the order of 1000 times bigger than the fuel. The equipment to convert it to a non-gaseous form is bulky and expensive. The only practical way to do it is on a large scale at a power station and use the electricity for vehicles etc, but even that is expensive (especially compared to renewable energy).

One thing that is worth trying to do is to capture the nastier pollutants that kill people, especially in cities, but this too is challenging and expensive. Electricity has no such problems if it is generated in a clean way.