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If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up
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This hangover I've got is getting worse minute a minute...
-in #693, partially: "The name jehovah is derived from the Hebrew semi vowels Yod,He,Vav, and He .." What you posted evoked something (for me).. When you introduced too, the term 'Alhym' , i felt to search it .. & looked at a thesis online (of Gregory Glaser) - he focuses on Aramaic and Hebrew translations of, certain books of the Bible. His (belief), about a origin of giving a name to (the creator) -"I think the name YHVH is the very breath in our lungs.. try it: breathe .. as you pronounce the name in four breaths (start by breathing in): eee-hah-ooo-hah."
Ugh
Sep 5, 2015
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#489
Well, going back to the very original post, if God needs a creator and we say that the infinite regression that results from God needing a creator is wrong. Then in denying a necessary being, that is one who is existed before time and needs no creator, then we have to say that either:
a.) the universe has always materially existed (which, in my mind, is the same as accepting the notion of a necessary being because it relies on some eternally existing thing)
or b.) that everything came out of nothing, which does not seem possible.
In addition, if we do away with a God then morality is merely a construct. There isn't anything that says that murder is absolutely objectively wrong without religion. Sure society might build a culture that frowns upon that, but that isn't a really compelling reason not to do it.
Also - and I know that not everyone here is American so I apologize for what might seem like cultural imperialism- when our Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence, which I acknowledge is not a governing document in the US, they wrote, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..." For the Founding Fathers then our rights are given and insured by our Creator, it is up to the government to uphold them. So even our interactions as men in a civil society are cast in the light of a Creator. The reason that I bring this up is that people like to dismiss the notion of God out of hand without thinking out all of the varied consequences.
One final comment. I think in any discussion of God we should set aside whatever predisposition we have about religion. There isn't any sense in arguing the tenents of a particularly creed until we have accepted or rejected a God. So set aside organized religion and only consider the question of God as necessary being.
Sep 6, 2015
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#491
who came first ? this dilemmna is not yet solved after 5000 years, Fermat's theorem conjecture does after 5th centuries.
Sep 6, 2015
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#492
@DavidBowie
I made a table recently. Therefore, I created a table.
If "God" didn't have a creator, where'd he come from.
Sep 6, 2015
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#493
ZigyStardust wrote:
^ omg u guys are so illeterate. egg n chicken are 2 different things.
(Sorry, quoted you before I knew what I was doing.)
The word is "illiterate".
A chicken comes from a chicken egg. They actually ARE the same thing, in different stages of development.
Sep 6, 2015
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#495
2travel wrote:
Where does, "God does not exist" thoughts come from?
Critical minds that are not indoctrinated.
Sep 6, 2015
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#496
ilikecapablanca a écrit :
ZigyStardust wrote:
^ omg u guys are so illeterate. egg n chicken are 2 different things.
(Sorry, quoted you before I knew what I was doing.)
The word is "illiterate".
A chicken comes from a chicken egg. They actually ARE the same thing, in different stages of development.
Ty in some way you and me are the same :
for instance : you 7 y me 11 y. (just example).
Alltogether now : 7 - 11, seven eleven.
I get it, sorry for my accent have a nice day everybody 
Sep 6, 2015
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#497
@ Ziggy
If you paid me $500 for a table, and I gave you screws and wood, would you be happy? No. You'd probably say,
"That's not a table!"
Then I make it into an object with a flat top and four legs, and give it to you, and you are satisfied that it is a table.
Sep 6, 2015
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#498
FRENCHBASHER wrote:
ilikecapablanca a écrit :
ZigyStardust wrote:
^ omg u guys are so illeterate. egg n chicken are 2 different things.
(Sorry, quoted you before I knew what I was doing.)
The word is "illiterate".
A chicken comes from a chicken egg. They actually ARE the same thing, in different stages of development.
Ty in some way you and me are the same :
for instance : you 7 y me 11 y. (just example).
Alltogether now : 7 - 11, seven eleven.
I get it, sorry for my accent have a nice day everybody
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Marco, is that you?
One of the attributes of God is that He has always existed, even before the beginning of time. God is not bound by time. God did not have to be created because He is God. This is a difficult concept for humans with just a finite mind to understand, and they would rather just believe that the world was created by random chance than be morally accountable to God.
" One of the attributes of God is that He has always existed, "
How do you know this ? Have you been with God every step of the way ?
..." even before the beginning of time. " Which was when ? When did time begin ?
" God is not bound by time. " Another one of his attributes ? You seem to know a lot about God.
" God did not have to be created because he is God. "
Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
" This is a difficult concept for humans with just a finite mind to understand...." Glad someone like yourself has kindly come along to enlighten us with your infinite intellect.
And what makes you think God is a " He " ?
This means God must have genitalia ?
Why would God / He need genitalia ?
What other " attributes " does God have ?