If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up

It's the abrasive nature of many Christians that gives us grief. Not all Christians, mind you...

The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I still haven't got an answer. Why does the atheist even care what others think ? I mean, I don't care if you don't believe in a god 'cuz it means nothing to me.

I see the atheist as being a pawn down here in a K+R+flank P vs. K+R. IOW's, I don't see any statues of Darwin (in homage) anywhere. Why not ?....'cuz his fun little book doesn't address the real questions. Like - How did life first form ?....How did matter come about ?....Why doesn't time have a beginning ?....What's beyond the Particle Horizon - if there is one ?....and stuff like that.

This chess game seems like it's been hard fought. But the atheist side hasn't come up w/ any new novelties. It's just the same old moves....with no real answers. IOW's, the flank pawn side is about to show the atheist the Lucena Position........

And in the end ?....since you can't answer any of my hard questions ?....and you're not a good enuf salesperson to blind me with science ?

....then Mr Dolby ?....pleez take it from here ! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEbsKs6IiUc

Soryy, just trying to help people be smarter, but if they want to keep believing in things without evidence.......then we will stop teaching and start laughing.

Its up to the creationists now. They can either become smarter and learn or they can keep making us laugh with their stupid statenents.

Lets see what they decide.......but you and i know they will not get smarter. Watch, you will se!!!! Lmao!!

Thank you Anarchos61 for post #1098. You have saved me a lot of tome & trouble.

yureesystem wrote:

The_Ghostess_Lola

ooh ooh ooh !!!....drpsholder is gonna run and report you ! U must be quivering like a chihuahua ! 

I am not quivering at all, I have a mean bark.

I see you are stiil scared to post your evidence for anything supernatural.

Are you too scared or just dont have any? Whahahahahahaha

I know you dont have any, but im willing to believe you are afraid if you just provide evidence!! Whahhahaha

I think you hit a nerve, drps..

I have still not been answered as to why the atheist even cares about what the creationist believes. I understand the motivation of the creationist to try to convince the atheist....it's part of their creed.

All I can come up w/ is that the atheist has some type of emotional issue going on. Whether it's a guilt thing (from disappointing their parents) or they can't find a purpose for their life, or they're bitter & angry about what's happening in the world, or jealous 'cuz the creationist is at peace, or they seek moral fairness, etc.

There seems to be something very emotional going on underneath each atheist. And I'm sure each one will have their very own reason for disbelieving.

The atheist pours alotta effort into the god question. It's obviously extremely important to them too.

My pleasure!

Because a belief in a god or gods, a position that an atheist would argue lacks evidence, skews the understanding of all sorts of other areas such as science, morality, society etc etc. Not only does this waste the time of a lot of people (their problem) but beliefs based on an illusion can be positively damaging (everyone else's problem!).

And there are a few statues of Darwin around, notably in the Natural History Museum in London. But, in any case, Evolution through Natural Selection - the work of lots of scientists and not just Darwin - neither proves nor disproves the existence of a god although it is rather unhelpful to the Argument from Design. 

misclicked, so my previous post doesnt make much sense i'm afraid

Is a carpenter's hammer a magic wand too?

I'll tell you what everyone. Let's put the World's Top 100 Abiogeneticists in a room for....well, let's say for as long as they live. Fair enuf ?

We'll give them all the nonbiological stuff they want. Rocks, dirt, water, calcium....everything you can find here on our flying stone. Hey, why don't we just give them everything !....Electricity, synthetic chemicals, high-powered magnets, light....you name it.

Now....let's get them to concoct & zap us a one-cell lifeform. We'll worry about the reproduction thingy later on.

I say let's forget evolution. That's a subset. Let's go all the way here........ 

....and something else. Why would a lifeform feel the need to create itself ?

(....and I understand what Zigy's trying to say about a biologist....)

yes you did get an answer............#1113.

So, let's see how honest you can be by admitting you were wrong.  You and I both know that you can't be honest and this is your test to prove it.

....and BTW, I could not care less what you believe. I'm just expressing some of the things going on in my head as to all this.

And until I get some answers that go past just speculation, I'm going w/ what Blaise Pascal reasoned.

Besides, he was smarter than you !........

Except that posting your "fishes" here isn't rubbing anything...........its just sad that you think it is.  And because you think it is, when its not, this allows us to question your intelligence.  Plain and simple, but you will not understand, which just gives us more reason to question your intelligence.

You see............we do this based on the evidence you, yourself supply. Amazing, huh? LOL

That's why it's "unhelpful to the Argument from Design." I was rather under-stating the position! The "Design" argument has all sorts of problems in any case. The Anthropic Argument  is really a version of the Argument from Design but appears to be based on a misunderstanding of probability theory. It does have the advantage. or disadvantage if you are scientifically minded, that there does not appear to be a way to disprove it, even in principle. I suppose one cannot rule out a god who enjoys "fine-tuning" the billions of universes in the multiverse and watching how they turn out but, since according to some theologies at least, God is omniscient as well as omnipotent, that must be a pretty boring way of spending an eternity. A Pantheon would at least be less lonely!     

And just like I said and predicted............with amazing accuracy........is that you can't be honest.

You can't be honest to me, this thread, nor to yourself. What a shame!

And speculation/belief is based on evidence..............so until you prove my evidence wrong, there is nothing wrong with maintaining my beliefs.

So its funny that you try to dismiss my answers as "speculation" as if there is no justification to them. But what's amazingly funny is that your ignorance allows you to think that speculation isn't justified.......but boy are you wrong. LOL

So what should I think about your intelligence when you have clearly shown that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about? LMAO!

And 1121

To believe in something that is a higher ideal is noble, I would think, and not cowardly at all. 

To have a higher purpose in one's life, is a noble cause....whether it be for the Creator or just for oneself.

I believe in a God so huge that we cannot even comprehend. LIfe has a beginning and an end, and to what purpose are we here, is it only to serve ourselves, or a higher cause?