I am not against customs and cultural practices when it celebrate life and the joy of it...Christmas, Budhists temple gatherings where villagers go and pray/meditate, etc. These are healthy societal events.
It is mankind's feeling of connectedness to the universe beyond "reality" that is behind some of the most beautiful work of art, song, poetry and literature. I do not want to live in the world envisioned by atheists.
Then pray all night all day
Hey, that's not my case! And what the heck are you doing with that pidgeon?!
That's a dove. It's supposed to symbolize somethin or somethin. Roy Batty, an android, is holdin on to it for some reason...he knows his end of life comes within minutes...
Without the scientists to tell atheists what to believe or not believe in, their world would be a very dreary place, boxed up in the dark ignorance of things that exists outside of their limitations - their "reality", because for them, nothing can exist beyond what an atheist can see, touch, taste, smell and hear.
Aren't you engaging in the exact same thing you keep criticizing atheists about? You make us sound like we need to believe in angels to appreciate life.
No, trysts. I'm not trying to force atheists to believe in angels.
I see that atheists are perfectly happy to live by and according only to "reality".
This so-called "reality" delimited by what the whole whopping 5 senses of atheists can perceive.
Which makes for a VERY SMALL WORLD indeed.
That atheists are happy to live in this box - I have absolutely no problem with it.
I've never tried to convert an atheist.
The problem arises when you sneer and deride to death everybody else for not going into that box with you.
For that is all that atheists do (at least the majority of them anyhow).
You guys are worse than Born Again Christians. At least Born Again Christians don't call you looney-toon delusional crazies who believe in bunny rabbits in the sky...or whatever else atheists come up with these days to insult others.
Not one single word you wrote in your post impresses me, alex-rodriguez.
Nor does anything this Lawrence Krauss have to say impresses me.
The reality of an ant does not impress upon the forest habitat of a 5000 year old tree.
Wow. My OP here was three words. I guess I'm glad I've left this group. Enjoy...
I might actually agree with certain things you say, alex-rodriguez, that which carrry some sense...only problem is they can't be disentangled from the rest of the bullshit that you spew. The baby will have to go out with the bathwater this time.
Too bad.
Wow. My OP here was three words. I guess I'm glad I've left this group. Enjoy...
cut it out with the falseness.
However it would be nice if theists would wait until their children are adults before trying to brainwash them. This is what bugs me the most about religous people. They destroy the lives of their own children, not giving them a chance for their brain to develop before the brainwashing begins.
You don't have a very clear view on "reality", alex-rodriguez...
Between the filth of violence - sexual or other - that inundate a child's world via their peers, the internet, TV, social medias, video games -- parents has not much sway as to what goes into their children's heads.
(reason why nothing you say impress much upon me)
No, trysts. I'm not trying to force atheists to believe in angels.
I see that atheists are perfectly happy to live by and according only to "reality".
This so-called "reality" delimited by what the whole whopping 5 senses of atheists can perceive.
Which makes for a VERY SMALL WORLD indeed.
That atheists are happy to live in this box - I have absolutely no problem with it.
I've never tried to convert an atheist.
The problem arises when you sneer and deride to death everybody else for not going into that box with you.
For that is all that atheists do (at least the majority of them anyhow).
You guys are worse than Born Again Christians. At least Born Again Christians don't call you looney-toon delusional crazies who believe in bunny rabbits in the sky...or whatever else atheists come up with these days to insult others.
The senses are not a tiny cell we're condemned to. They allow us to experience breathtaking landscapes, the vastness of the universe, and a connection to countless free beings in our world. You don't have a monopoly on the wonder of existence. There are times, I'm sure in everyone's life, where you imagine what forces are out there which have created such an amazing array of beauty in nature. Our senses are what lead us to reach for this beauty and want to capture it, engage it, and be apart of it.
I don't speak for all atheists, for sure, but speaking for myself it seems astonishing to me that people are not satisfied with the wonder of life. It seems they fall in love with their own imagination so much so as to create gods and angels and their own eternity. It's just vanity to me. We get this moment of life which can last for a century if all goes well, and billions of people think they deserve more. They create souls which float above all, or jump into other people's lives throughout history.
We're all born unique and free. We're all brand new to this world and there is no reason to deny anyone the wonder and answerless beauty of existence. But old books and ridiculous dogma continue the silly tale of men in love with themselves with women their vessels to give birth for passing on their vain stories they told themselves while they were here.
trysts, trysts, trysts.
more sneer and derision. rofl.
you can't help yourself, can you?
it's cute.
I'm not sneering. You haven't been very convincing expressing your side of the story at all. It would be great to hear something besides just your belief in...actually I don't know what you believe in since you say your god is a bunch of feelings you have but it's not the Abrahamic god?
cowardly falseness, dude.
it's easy to trigger controversial thread and then slip quietly into the background, say nothing, then show up on your high horse criticizing other people who at least have the courage to speak their minds...
you showed up your falseness in the first thread and here your are again...
a zebra can't change his stripes, no matter how many thread he starts.
there's no diatribe here.
I'm just pointing out atheists are as obnoxious as the ultra religious who try to convert others.
What high horse?
I thought I was trying to conduct a rational discussion until it ran into what it is now. I didn't "slip quietly away". I left because others took this into their own space.
there's no diatribe here.
I'm just pointing out atheists are as obnoxious as the ultra religious who try to convert others.
You do realize that alex-rodriguez said he doesn't like the brain-washing of children. How is that obnoxious? Other athiests say they actually don't doubt that people believe in these religions and they see the religious people killing each other for their gods, and that's why they are so outspoken. To me those seem like compassionate reasons to be outspoken.
But when atheists start behaving like religious folk hell bent on converting others to their belief of the inexistence of God, atheism begins to behave like a religion.
"Live and let live" is not their mantra.
I concede that religion has been used as pretext and tool for wars and violence and intolerance.
But the problem is not "religion". For "religion" could be one of peace, of pacifism, of justice and tolerance...
The problem is in the "heart of mankind itself". The Holocaust, WW2, genocides in Bosnia, Rwanda, Cambodia ...none are "God" related.
"religion", "racial supremacy", "political/economic" ideology ... they are mere suface garments of the "heart of mankind" -- a very sick one.
Your fight, atheists - is wasteful of your intelligence and energy. Best spend it on getting at the roots of things...that is, if your reason for fighting "religion" is because you think it is behind all the violence we see.
The Evil in the heart of man - is like water, whatever obstacles you put in front of it it will flow around it, change the receptacle of religion to the receptacle of atheism, it will fill it up just the same, change the hat of capitalism to communism, it will wear it just the same...