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Nov 12, 2016
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#121
Sorry that was to 117
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#123
I have a little reading to catch up on but it occurred to me Troy can't possibly be right.
Meaningful and meaningless are subjective terms and the self truly doesn't exist.
We can talk about the nature of what is but to describe reality as either meaningful or meaningless is nonsense.
It is what it is and that's it.
Also Troy this no death idea. What's that all about?
Meaningful and meaningless are subjective terms and the self truly doesn't exist.
We can talk about the nature of what is but to describe reality as either meaningful or meaningless is nonsense.
It is what it is and that's it.
Also Troy this no death idea. What's that all about?
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#124
I'm interested though to talk about what is and of course anyone has the right to say I know something you don't but I can't tell you about it. I'm not sure that's very helpful though and my belief at least is everything can be explained.
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#126
I've talked about what isn't and I'd like to talk about what is. Troy I think what's ironic is though you've seen you don't truly exist you haven't entirely accept that. Perhaps it's an impossible task. The illusion must sustain to an extent for basic things like movement!
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#127
I suspect that our 'existence' would be less of an issue - If, we All had the option, of 'dropping out' permanently, from being, an aware entity; As in, Not compulsory, once you've determined, that you Don't care for the experience; Whether, it represents, a 'blessing' or virtual curse.
I'm aware incidentally, of the 'Biblical' answer to that.. which, boils down to, being both, created & 'chosen' from the 'beginning.'
My impression, incidentally.. Is that probably, a surprising % of us.. would like to permanantly, go 'Poof'.. in a sentient- awareness, context.. Figuring, that the 'downsides' of Life, aren't up to the same level, as the 'upsides'.. Which would, tend to make us, want to 'hold on' to our sentient- awareness, stake.
Sadly, or not.. In the 'Christian' paradigm - That option, doesn't exist. o:
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#128
It's not a matter of acceptance,Tom. The entity that does the acceptance is also an illusion. There is no action at that level.
The reason you say that is because you understand the self as a partial illusion, and then you project that on me.
But the illusion is total, not one part real and another illusion, so then the real part accepts or rejects or doesn't understand the illusion part of this self which is us.
The whole thing is an illusion, and once it's seen you don't accept it or reject it, because there's no one left to take those actions!
it simply is what it is.
The only reason the illusion is in place is because one thinks there is a part of them which is real, sane, godly, unbiased. This is also illusory.
As for 'the meaning of life', even that is misleading. I only said that life is full of meaning. Don't put it any other way.
Leave it alone. It will be evident when the illusion is gone.
In this dimension where most are stuck, there is no meaning. It is useless to look for meaning while in this dimension: there isn't any.
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#131
I'm going to enjoy reading you troy. Right or wrong you sure are smart. I'm tied up with technology right now. Kids and iPads lethal combination.
Forget reading troy, Tom. 'Focus' on the illusion. But it's different when you have a family, kids. That's why I don't understand people who start families without 'getting to the bottom of it first,
And then most get sucked in by life, by various 'responsibilities'. Because the family is indeed the basic cell of society: only its basic cell of conflict!
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#133
I agree with you SA many people would choose to die if it were easy to do so. Perhaps many of us have experienced moments like that.
You're right a Christian hasn't that option. SA I know we can't talk religion but it just occurred to me that every person that believes in the after life believes they will find paradise. How many believers expect to be condemned? I bet not many!
Perhaps we all have a view that fits with what we want. Or need.
You're right a Christian hasn't that option. SA I know we can't talk religion but it just occurred to me that every person that believes in the after life believes they will find paradise. How many believers expect to be condemned? I bet not many!
Perhaps we all have a view that fits with what we want. Or need.
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#134
Troy 129 yes total illusion. That makes sense. And yet Troy truth can be known. Perhaps it'll always be somewhat subjective but it's true one and one makes two and that's known. The universe in the form of me knows that! But okay I accept acceptance is illusory!
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#136
That's great though. I agree acceptance is part of the illusion. There's nothing to accept anything.
So you're saying this meaning you know of can't be communicated to another?
So you're saying this meaning you know of can't be communicated to another?
yes
the flow of consciousness comes over your brain and guts
TomGa wrote:
That's great though. I agree acceptance is part of the illusion. There's nothing to accept anything.
So you're saying this meaning you know of can't be communicated to another?
So you're saying this meaning you know of can't be communicated to another?
Perhaps you have the wrong idea of a meaning. It's not like a bunch of clever words put together, which would represent the meaning of life.
It's not about words, a magic phrase and such.
The meaning of life(if we insist on putting it that way) is not apart from life itself. Yes, that's it.
Any meaning apart from life is false. But we are stuck in the past, acting from there, so life is not fully perceived. Being half-asleep, life has no meaning.
exactly and we could say : meanigs have no life ,
too, one meaning is cancelled by the follower, mind is a beehive of hopes buzzing and stinging, said the great Dos Passos. (John D.P.)
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