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Wits-end
Optimissed wrote:

(I only hope that this evolution leads to an improvment in the way we select leaders, because the present lot of World leaders, almost without exception, seems to be a bunch of either psychopathic or hysterical morons, incapable of learning the lessons of previous wars.)

At first i was going to reply that you have described my neighbors. But, I guess i did just that. wink.png However, you’ve introduced a good topic of its own, evolution and the current cadre of world leaders.

My question is two-fold,

1- If evolution (if true) could solve the moral dilemma of world-wide wars and moronic leadership that promotes it, why has it not? How long is it going to take? And,

2- If God (if true) exists and his followers faithfully adhere to the question “Who is my neighbor” why do so many hate them? How long is it going to take?

technical_knockout

1.  nothing can't explode.

2.  the hate primarily stems from various corrupt governments that have a keen interest in controlling their citizens & thus persecute anyone that threatens their leader-worship, '1984' style:

love of money causes 'bad things' to happen.

Wits-end

1- And therein lies the question: How long is it going to take? When will there a sufficient number of individuals to overcome the idiocy, if possible and I’m not certain that it is, or succumb to the “nuclear option” and be annihilated by the same idiocy? I suppose that is the unknowable and uncertainty that leads and drives the overwhelming angst seen at every level of society. At least from my small perspective. 

2- Too many people? You may well be correct. Just a simple drive to the market reveals the anger and lack of what used to be common courtesy prevalent today. It’s why I’m becoming less inclined to circulate. I’m happiest and most contented staying home, our sanctuary from the world. However, by doing so, and there are many of us so I engaged, are we guilty by our complacency of allowing the negativity to flourish? 

I don’t know, but the future isn’t and hasn’t been appealing for quite some time. At least to me. 

TimTianYu

TWait theres a bigbgan opeingin?!?!??!

Pulpofeira

Evolution does not work that way. Nature is as short-sighted as we are.

 “What a book a devil’s chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering, low, and horribly cruel work of nature!”

- Charles Darwin.

EscherehcsE
TimTianYu wrote:

TWait theres a bigbgan opeingin?!?!??!

Isn't that when you slam down e2-e4 with a big bang?

technical_knockout
Optimissed wrote:

I have a great deal of sympathy with people believing in a Creator, seperate from the universe

'in Whom we live and move and have our being.'  ie:  the Creator is omnipresent.

our finite intellects cannot understand infinity:

'for as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.'

Wits-end
Optimissed wrote:
Wits-end wrote:

Well, i suppose since it is Sunday morning (here) the topic is apropos. However, general chess discussion it is not. Unless of course there is an opening called “The Big Bang.” Now, there you have it, General Chess Discussion. You’re welcome. 

In the Big Bang opening, the player enlarges his/her position from the starting point, in all directions. Such enlargement, although thought random, ultimately resolves itself into clumps of chess pieces, with a partial vacuum between them. The expansion, however, accelerates, because as chess pieces move further apart, there's more space for them to move about and therefore, the Big Bang position inherently accelerates.

I do not believe in the Big Bang Opening. I think that just because it seems reasonable doesn't make it reasonable. I prefer the Steady State interpretation of openings, where there are no unbelievable events like all the pawns and pieces crowded together in a space far less than one square of a chess board. I think that's a silly assumption, made just because the mathematics vaguely fits the idea that the chess board is an 8 x 8 square. The reality is far more mysterious.

This could be the reason why I lose so quickly when i haven’t developed my pieces properly, accelerated expansion based on a BB opening is certain to fail. (Unless of course my opponent is unluckier than my poor choices.) The BB opening cannot exist due to the finite parameters of 64 squares. Or does it? 

Chr0mePl8edSt0vePipe
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Chr0mePl8edSt0vePipe
I think a very simple definition of God is just the first being/matter to exist which therefore created all things.

This leads to the fact that no matter what, there has to always be an original piece of matter that evolved into everything else or created everything else.

Atheist try so hard to ignore the fact of there being the original cell that everything came from because it is simply unfathomable how that first cell was created or came to be. This is the very thing that is ignored in all of the atheist theories. The Big Bang, the soup, evolution, aliens etc.

Eventually you have to come to the logical conclusion that there was an original piece of matter, a cell, or better said a God or The God that created everything. Although it is out of the intellectual sphere of humanity to understand that the creator of the universe had no beginning. Humanity’s logic relies so heavily on time that we can’t imagine being outside it. Everything we see has a beginning and an end.

But in the end you have to address the subject of the original cell. An intelligent being that is out of time itself is the only logical conclusion. Perhaps the only conclusion.
archaja
Chr0mePl8edSt0vePipe hat geschrieben:
I think a very simple definition of God is just the first being/matter to exist which therefore created all things.

This leads to the fact that no matter what, there has to always be an original piece of matter that evolved into everything else or created everything else.

Atheist try so hard to ignore the fact of there being the original cell that everything came from because it is simply unfathomable how that first cell was created or came to be. This is the very thing that is ignored in all of the atheist theories. The Big Bang, the soup, evolution, aliens etc.

Eventually you have to come to the logical conclusion that there was an original piece of matter, a cell, or better said a God or The God that created everything. Although it is out of the intellectual sphere of humanity to understand that the creator of the universe had no beginning. Humanity’s logic relies so heavily on time that we can’t imagine being outside it. Everything we see has a beginning and an end.

But in the end you have to address the subject of the original cell. An intelligent being that is out of time itself is the only logical conclusion. Perhaps the only conclusion.

that´s just nonsence of the higher art. Nobody ignores "the first cell" (hello first cell). This first cell is just an outcome of the evolution, like everything else. Here, the biological evolution. And if we just don´t know, how it come to live than it is out of a lack of knowledge, not of any unspeakable deity. Up to 1895 we did know nothing about x-rays, but that does not mean that they did not exist or that some sort of god made it.

And with the great beginner.... have you ever heard of the so called infitit regress? That is just: who made the first beginner? and who made the maker of the first beginner, and who made the maker of the maker of the first beginner??? Not a senseful question, I would say.

LitterPicker

"God" is now defined, and further discussion is meaningful. There remains the very real possibility that "God" is entirely uninterested in you, me, and our existential crises. Discuss.

zaxattacks

with eternal life comes eternal sadness, because no matter who you love, they will always die, until eventually you are the last living human being, whether in the heavens or the earth. 

archaja

This is just the Idea of the so called "watchmaker god".... But I´m a big fan of one Monk William of Occham, who is known for the so called Occam´s razor:

Occam's razor is a principle of theory construction or evaluation according to which, other things equal, explanations that posit fewer entities, or fewer kinds of entities, are to be preferred to explanations that posit more.

So, what for is this "watchmaker god" good for? That we have one more explanation than necessary? By the way: I call "him" the "push god" gave everything a push and went away.

zaxattacks
LitterPicker wrote:

"God" is now defined, and further discussion is meaningful. There remains the very real possibility that "God" is entirely uninterested in you, me, and our existential crises. Discuss.

according to most organized religions, excluding budism, it is believed God takes a special interest in everyone.

zaxattacks

While i agree that seems impossible, most evangelical Christians, Catholics, Mormons and Muslims believe God is everywhere at all times

GeorgeGoodnight

I am god, I am god, I am god, I am, I am, I am that I am ... ;0)

archaja
KevinTheChessGnome hat geschrieben:

I am god, I am god, I am god, I am, I am, I am that I am ... ;0)

At least now we know that god is not exactly the strongest chess player of all times wink.png

InsertInterestingNameHere
KevinTheChessGnome wrote:

I am god, I am god, I am god, I am, I am, I am that I am ... ;0)

I think I know how steinitz beat god with pawn odds now wink.png

GeorgeGoodnight
archaja wrote:
KevinTheChessGnome hat geschrieben:

I am god, I am god, I am god, I am, I am, I am that I am ... ;0)

At least now we know that god is not exactly the strongest chess player of all times

I and my father are one 

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