All attempts to distract. The flat Earth hypothesis is PROVEN FALSE by the simplest of observations of the North Star from three different latitudes. It would be impossible to get the observations that occur if the Northern hemisphere were flat.
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Mar 6, 2023
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#323
TheNameofNames wrote:
density is mass per volume, weight is only possible under the influence of gravity. Without gravity buoyancy is meaningless because nothing has mass
To be pedantic, you mean nothing has weight!
If there were no gravity, mass (otherwise known as rest mass) would still have a meaning as energy that does not move at the speed of light.
Mass is fundamentally energy that is localised, like electrons in an atom are fixed in a small region near the nucleus. For hadrons, most of the mass is simply the kinetic energy of bound particles (quarks). The mass of the fundamental particles - quarks, electrons, W and Z bosons and the Higgs itself, comes 100% from the Higgs mechanism. I think of this as massless fields circulating, but as I am not a particle physicist, this should not be taken as gospel. It does make sense though.
If this view is correct it means all of the fundamental fields move at the speed of light, and mass and the existence of particles that do not move at the speed of light are emergent phenomena.
Mar 6, 2023
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#324
That fixed path of travel, where the stars circle the North Star, as can be seen everywhere in the northern latitudes, proves that the earth cannot be a rotating globe. That is because if the earth were a rotating globe then the only place where the stars could be seen to travel in a circular path around the North Star would be at the North Pole. Everywhere else on a supposed spinning globe below the North Pole would require that the stars travel in a westerly direction because the earth is supposed to be spinning in an easterly direction.
Since under the heliocentric model the earth is supposed to be spinning in an easterly direction, a viewer who is looking at the North Star would necessarily see all of the other stars traveling in a westerly direction across the sky. There is no possible way that the stars could be seen by an observer on earth traveling in a circular path around the North Star because that would require the stars to both travel in an easterly direction and a westerly direction as they circle the North Star. But when looking at time-lapse photographs of the stars circling the North Star, we see stars traveling in a circular path around the North Star, with some stars moving in a westerly direction while at the same time other stars are traveling in an easterly direction. Such an occurrence in an impossibility under the heliocentric model.
A picture is worth a thousand words. A time-lapse picture is worth a million words. Below is an 11.5-hour time-lapse photograph taken on the night of January 2-3, 2010, from Tradate, Italy, which is at 45.7̊ North Latitude, more than 3,000 miles south of the North Pole, and approximately equidistant between the North Pole and the Equator. The picture proves that it is the stars moving over the earth, and not the earth that is spinning. The fact that the stars under the North Star are traveling in an easterly direction while at the same time the stars above the North Star are traveling in a westerly direction proves that the earth cannot be spinning.
If the earth were spinning, a person looking at the North star from 45.7̊ North Latitude would see all of the stars traveling in an arc across the sky in a westerly direction. If the earth were a spinning globe, the stars could not travel in opposite directions, as we can see is happening in the time-lapse photograph. The picture below impeaches the heliocentric myth. If one is standing anywhere not on the axis of a globe, stars cannot appear to travel across the sky in one direction and other stars appear to move in the opposite direction if the star movement is based upon the fact that the earth is supposed to be spinning on an axis in one direction. It is impossible. The time-lapse picture below proves that the heliocentric model is an elaborate deception.
https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/North-Star-Time-Lapse-241x300.jpg 241w, https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/North-Star-Time-Lapse-768x957.jpg 768w, https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/North-Star-Time-Lapse.jpg 1191w" alt="" width="822" height="1024">Please note that, while the stars appear to completely circle the North Star, in fact, each star is only traveling in an arc that is approximately 180̊. The time-lapse makes it appear that the stars are going in a complete circle around the North Star. But it only appears that way because there are so many stars. No single star has traveled more than 180̊ during the 11.5-hour time-lapse period.
If the earth were a sphere spinning eastward, the heliocentric model would require a time-lapse picture of the North Star to be in a fixed position in the sky in perfect synchronization with the spin of the earth. That is because the North Star is fixed above the North Pole, which is supposed to be the axis of the earth’s spin. Thus, the heliocentric model requires that at all latitudes south of the North Pole the North Star would remain fixed in position over every location on the allegedly spinning earth. That means that the North Star would appear to the camera not to be moving. That is in fact what we see in time-lapse pictures. So-far-so-good for the heliocentric model.
The fly in the ointment for the heliocentric model is that if the earth were in fact spinning, the other stars in a time-lapse picture taken south of the North Pole would create star trail arcs that would appear to be moving across the sky only in a direction opposite the spin of the earth. But that is not what we see. Instead, in actual time-lapse pictures of the North Star, the other stars leave circular star trails around the stationary North Star. That means that some of the stars are traveling in the same direction as the supposed spin of the earth. That is impossible under the heliocentric model. If the earth were spinning, there would be no way for any stars to leave star trails going in the same direction as the spin of the earth. The diagram below illustrates what the star trails in a time-lapse picture taken by a camera south of the North Pole pointed at the North Star should look like if the earth were a spinning globe.
https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Polaris-Earth-Spin2-209x300.jpg 209w, https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Polaris-Earth-Spin2-768x1100.jpg 768w, https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Polaris-Earth-Spin2.jpg 963w" alt="" width="715" height="1024">The ubiquitous time-lapse photographs taken south of the North Pole showing star trails circling the North Star are proof that the earth is not spinning underneath the stars but rather that those stars are circling the North Star over a stationary earth.
https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Polaris-Over-Flat-Earth-300x258.jpg 300w, https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Polaris-Over-Flat-Earth-768x660.jpg 768w, https://greatmountainpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Polaris-Over-Flat-Earth.jpg 1097w" alt="" width="1024" height="880">Every scientific experiment ever conducted has confirmed what the above time-lapse picture shows, that the earth is stationary and the stars move over the earth. George Airy in 1871 conducted the most notable experiment that proved that the stars move over a stationary earth. Airy’s experiment is popularly known in the scientific community as “Airy’s failure” because his experiment proved that the earth does not move, which was the opposite of the expected outcome. George Airy’s experiment determined with scientific certainty that in fact, it was the ether carrying the stars that was moving over the earth and that the earth was stationary. Dr. Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D., explains that “George Airy proved that the world was stationary and the stars are moving.”
Airy’s failure was followed in 1887 by the precise and irrefutable experiment conducted by physicist Albert A. Michelson (1852 – 1931) and chemist E. W. Morley (1838 – 1923). The Michelson/Morley experiment, using an interferometer, which measured light rays, established that the earth is stationary. That experiment so shook the scientific community (imbued with heliocentricity) that it was forced to change the laws of physics to explain it away. The new laws of physics were nurtured within the umbra of the theory of relativity. The rise of Albert Einstein and his theory of relativity are explained in detail in this author’s book, The Greatest Lie on Earth (Expanded Edition).
Mar 6, 2023
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#325
Many attempts were made to prove that heliocentricity was true and geocentricity was false. Every such attempt has been a failure. The most famous, because of its precision and irrefutability, was the experiment done by physicist Albert A. Michelson (1852 – 1931) and chemist E. W. Morley (1838 – 1923). The Michelson/Morley experiment, using an interferometer, which measured light rays, established that the earth is stationary. Michelson was involved in other experiments that confirmed, to his dismay, that the earth is stationary.
The Michelson/Morley experiment (1887) does not stand alone. It is joined in its confirmation of a stationary earth by the James Bradley experiment (1729) (proving that the ether is not carried along by the earth), the Sagnac experiment (1913) (proving that there is in fact an ether), the Michelson/Gale experiment (1925) (proving that the ether passes over the earth once every 24 hours), and Airy’s failure (1871) (proving that the stars move, carried by the ether, while the earth remains stationary).
There are many other experiments that have each time given results that were not only consistent with a stationary earth but indicative of a stationary earth, from the light polarization experiments of E. Muscart in 1872 to the mutual inductance experiments of Theodore de Coudres in 1889 to the 1903 Touton-Noble experiments. Indeed, there is not a single experiment that proves that the earth moves. The moving earth is based entirely on a theory and is contradicted by all of the experimental evidence.
lol.... that's our noodles....been that way for yrs. Elroch has made a valiant effort to convert him but you know.... you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. 
Mar 7, 2023
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#327
noodles2112 wrote:
That fixed path of travel, where the stars circle the North Star, as can be seen everywhere in the northern latitudes, proves that the earth cannot be a rotating globe. That is because if the earth were a rotating globe then the only place where the stars could be seen to travel in a circular path around the North Star would be at the North Pole.
Sorry, but this is simply a mistake by someone who lacks adequate competence. The claim is false, seen to be false by any competent person such as (with all due humility myself), and the justification has to contain at least one error.
Clearly the waffle that followed was enough to fool you, so let me identify a blatant falsehood in it that makes it worthless.
"Since under the heliocentric model the earth is supposed to be spinning in an easterly direction, a viewer who is looking at the North Star would necessarily see all of the other stars travelling in a westerly direction across the sky."
I understand that the reason your source makes blunders like this (like a below average chess player) is that he has poor geometric intuition, and one reason you believe him is that you do too. But you are neither stupid nor blind, so I will help you achieve better geometric than your source, so that you can avoid copying his blunder.
Imagine yourself lying on a roundabout that is rotating anticlockwise (like the Earth if North is upwards). It should not be difficult to understand that the sky appears to rotate around the fixed point directly straight above the roundabout. If you are unsure, try it! A young relative would provide an excuse if you need it. 
If you tilt your head in any direction, obviously the sky will continue to appear to rotate around the same point - it's just that now it's in a different direction to you. This is like changing your latitude (and the direction the ground points).
It's the same with the Earth. It is a ball with a fixed AXIS OF ROTATION. This axis points very close to the North Star. So where ever you are on the half of the Earth that can see the North Star, the sky appears to rotate around a point near the North Star. The claim in your quote is proven false.
This shows your quoted text was wrong, a muddled confusion about East and West getting in the way of understanding and leading to pure nonsense.
Again, your error is in trusting people who are incompetent. But I assert that if you engage your brain, you are capable of understanding the above even if your source isn't.
Please read that carefully. You can gain a great deal from it, and become superior to someone undeserving of respect just because he can splurge errors like any failing student.
Mar 7, 2023
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#328
NameofNames - I would say batsh&t crazy is someone who actually believes they are zipping around everyday 30 times faster than a speeding bullet, as you do. Or should I refer to you as superman or perhaps the flash?
RJC - I was a devout/zealous religious member of heliocentrism for more than 4 decades. Ever since I renounced/denounced the religion of heliocentrism some 10 years ago its followers have tried earnestly to reconvert me to the flock
Mar 7, 2023
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#330
Elroch - As the article pointed out more than once with several experiments the author had absolutely nothing to do with, all proved the earth does not move. Ironically, these experiments were all done by those who believed in heliocentrism and set out to prove Scientifically that the earth moves, however, inadvertently proved the exact opposite. So, it is not a matter of me simply believing him!
Mar 7, 2023
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#331
This is a false claim. Indeed your post entirely falsely claims that observations are inconsistent with established science. Your source blundered like a 500-rated patzer. I explained a key blunder.
Read my post and you will find it lacks blunders.
Mar 7, 2023
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#333
The geometry of rotation about an axis is common to both. I can understand this, but it is too difficult for your source with his less than 500 rating in geometry.
You could add a hemisphere on top of the roundabout if you want to make it even more similar to the rotating Northern Hemisphere. The conclusion is the same: your source blundered, as patzers do.
Mar 7, 2023
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#334
I wouldn't go that far. He is the author of a 1000 page book with more than 1300 citations, references and sources proving the earth does not move.
Mar 7, 2023
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#335
Patzers can play a hundred thousand games of chess without improving.
Far more has been written by competent people who can see your sources blunders as easily as I can. They have thousands of times as much work published, and this has had to get past blunder-checks by competent people - your source's book never had to do that.
The key difference is not the quantity, it is that THEY GET IT RIGHT. They are the equivalent of grandmasters by contrast to your prolific patzer.
Mar 7, 2023
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#336
Am I right that you are incapable of understanding my excessively patient post? If so, there is no point in continuing this discussion - you are going to remain deluded.
Mar 7, 2023
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#337
Actually, it is that the so-called scientific community/establishment must adhere to heliocentric rules and never ever question any of its foundational premises' validity.
Those that do must do it outside of those set parameters.
As I have already posted more than once with NASA's own official aeronautical documents that all plainly state that flight is based upon a nonrotating stationary flat earth.
I did not make that up.
It is very simple.
Flight calculations and navigations must adhere to the foundational premise that the earth is stationary. Only then does the belief that the earth is spinning come into play.
A belief that some kind of "invisible forces" synchronize all flight traveling in all directions at different speeds etc. etc. somehow works on a spinning sphere.
That is NOT Science!
Mar 7, 2023
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#338
Look Elroch - even Einstein was forced to concede that heliocentric/geocentric could both work. But it is heliocentricity that is propagandized worldwide through education, mass media etc. because that is what the PTB want the masses to believe.
So, who is more deluded - One that trusts their own senses or one that doesn't relying on others to tell them what to believe?
Mar 7, 2023
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#339
@noodles, do you understand that your quoted splurge (where you relied on someone unreliable to tell you what to believe) contained a huge, crucial blunder, as I explained?
If not, I'm going to avoid wasting any more time.
Last chance.
Elroch - Not purposefully. I think the difference between us is curvature vs. perspective.
NASA propaganda keeps the masses living in La La Land!
Of course, Hollywood/MSM aliens from outer space does that as well.
Keep the masses distracted/looking into nothingness keeps them from seeing the empirically observed evidence right in front of them.
Elroch - what could be more fantastical than intelligent alien life on some distant planet?