So maybe he means meditation is like empty space...in and of itself it just is but is not an object?
What do you think meditation is, in your life, not as a concept?
A state of being if you can experience it.
agree. The thing I try to keep my eye on is the noun vs the verb.
We can be meditating = verb
I don't think we can!
Once again: The meditator, the act of meditation, the state of meditation. What are you resisting here?
One more fallacy by troy... the blind can not meditate, try as they might.
Ignorance
Of course the blind can meditate. Troy clearly has zero knowledge of the subject and is simply making stuff up as he goes.
i don't understand this but i think it explains y he has no hair.
that's Genius.
One more fallacy by troy... the blind can not meditate, try as they might.
Ignorance
Of course the blind can meditate. Troy clearly has zero knowledge of the subject and is simply making stuff up as he goes.
To try to meditate indicates blindness. Only the blind tries to meditate. Of course, one can be blind without trying to meditate. But the minute one tries to meditate, blindness is revealed.
I'm not talking from knowledge, which is meaningless here.
Most assuredly troy7915 is wrong. Wherever he got the idea that the mind cannot reach 'silence' I have'nt a clue. (Except he says its his conclusion) The mind absolutely is able to quite itself, if only for a brief moment.
Silence cannot be 'reached', which implies a goal and a technique. It has tried this for millenia. What this achieved is a mind that appeared silent, yet it's just as petty as it's always been. No intelligence whatsoever--the vegetative mind.
That state can be achieved through a technique, no doubt. Repeat a word, any word, countless times and one reaches the vegetative mind. Take a drug and one is there.
That is not silence. Such a mind is still preoccupied with its own corner, with its own pleasure, which it calls Nirvana.
Talking a technigue of meditation? ?
Nonsense
Like I said above and as it was mentioned by others before. One tehnique( to achieve a silent mind) being Mantra. I'm talking about attempts ( in history) to silence the mind.
All behaviors are goal orientated. Tell me one that isn't. True, it is not a technique. If Meditation has no goal, I doubt that the Buddha, or others, would have recommended it.
All behaviours are goal oriented. Yes. So if there is a distinction between life and meditation, then meditation is not.
Going into a dark room in the morning or at night for 10 minutes and doing whatever one may be doing, is just kindergarten play, not meditation.
But the blind cannot meditate, try as they might.
"So if there is a distinction between life and meditation, then meditation is not." What? I am totally missing what you are trying to communicate.
There is life. And potentially there is meditation. If the two are different, meditation is not.
You are right. Your lack of knowledge is meaningless, which explains why you have contributed nothing with your ignorance.
So maybe he means meditation is like empty space...in and of itself it just is but is not an object?
What do you think meditation is, in your life, not as a concept?
A state of being if you can experience it.
Ok, describe that experience, if you please.
agree. The thing I try to keep my eye on is the noun vs the verb.
We can be meditating = verb
I don't think we can!
Once again: The meditator, the act of meditation, the state of meditation. What are you resisting here?
The resistance is born when separation is introduced. If those three are separate, meditation is not.
Ignorance is bliss.
I beg to differ: ignorance translates into suffering.
Not ignorance in the sense of a lack of book knowledge, but ignorance in the sense of being blind, of not seeing for oneself. Blindness is suffering.
troy I love you man but I can't agree with that.
I find letting go brings peace without understanding. It's the seach for the truth that brings the suffering, no?
Does anyone in this forum actually practice meditation? I do and a lot of what is being said here is wrong.
agree. The thing I try to keep my eye on is the noun vs the verb.
We can be meditating = verb
I don't think we can!
Once again: The meditator, the act of meditation, the state of meditation. What are you resisting here?
The resistance is born when separation is introduced. If those three are separate, meditation is not.
Would you please be more coherent?
Meditation is not...what?
Without understanding there is no peace. Because without understanding the peace is artificial, it is induced, either by drugs or by some form of practice which dulls the mind, instead of sharpening.
However, it's not that understanding happens first, then comes peace. It's happening at the same time.
But let's be careful with words here: letting go in order to achieve peace is not quite letting go ( it's not letting go of the desire to achieve peace!)
Does anyone in this forum actually practice meditation? I do and a lot of what is being said here is wrong.
Yes.
All behaviors are goal orientated. Tell me one that isn't. True, it is not a technique. If Meditation has no goal, I doubt that the Buddha, or others, would have recommended it.
All behaviours are goal oriented. Yes. So if there is a distinction between life and meditation, then meditation is not.
Going into a dark room in the morning or at night for 10 minutes and doing whatever one may be doing, is just kindergarten play, not meditation.
But the blind cannot meditate, try as they might.
"So if there is a distinction between life and meditation, then meditation is not." What? I am totally missing what you are trying to communicate.