no no... it's obvious you're young, was curious this youthness, not your iq.
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It seems to be a common observation about troy's age. I wonder why. If troy is young ( and rather immature), how would a mature person see the whole thing?
Is it a matter of age, this perception? Or something entirely different?
.. Young, old, or somewhere in-between ; More-to-the-point, is that, in the following 'troy' reply; Is 'imho'; A contrarian's, contrarian, Living up, to the name, as-it-were ! .. That it makes coherent sense, to mainly 'troy' alone ; I cannot deny ! [ :
Flank_Attacks wrote:
"The meaning of Life, is to give Life meaning."
.. Also, it's Not what you already know, that's of primary importance ; It's knowing where to look for, what you're seeking ; Of which the above quote, is exhibit A !
{my image, of a picturesque, breaking-ocean-wave, wouldn't paste .. Yet, it Can be imagined !} o:
The above is obviously a contradiction: you can only seek what you already know...You can never seek something you have no idea what it looks like. Having an idea what it looks like, you already know it; and then when circumstances confirm that which you have already known all along, you say 'that's it!'
But about Truth we can have no preconceived ideas. That is true discovery. -- {Huh ?! .. And that's why, people are 'All-over-the-place'; Regarding, any aspect, of 'Truth'!?}
We have preconceived ideas about anything. Any brain does that, by default. Watch your brain and you'll understand the rest of the brains as well.
The point was that if you are searching for something, you already have a preconceived idea about the result, that is you already know what you are looking for, by and large. And if that's the case, then it's only a matter of time before the brain settles on the details of the result: but the essence of that result was already present, from the beginning. In other words, no search at all took place.
And if you truly have no idea what you are looking for, would you even start searching? You cannot search for something you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what it is, right? You can surely follow the logic of this.
troy7915 wrote:
It seems to be a common observation about troy's age. I wonder why. If troy is young ( and rather immature), how would a mature person see the whole thing?
Is it a matter of age, this perception? Or something entirely different?
perhaps your high horse jumping off will help
.. But, the question remains ; How do You know 'troy', that what you were seeking ; Re, Anything ; Was Not a result of sub-conciously seeking to validate, what you already were hoping to find !?
When 'JC' said, "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Light"; No one comes to the Father, but, through Me"; Had he said that, when he was objectively, telling a Falsehood ; Given that 'JC' was arguably, the most influential 'person', in recorded history ..{'Josephus' even referred to him, in his historic annals}.. That would appear to turn history, on its' head ; Were he {He}, also, the World's Greatest Liar, and con man !?
sorry but 'Life' not Light, as well 'by' not through
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6&version=KJV
nothing false there
Flank
I've never said I was seeking for anything: it doesn't happen that way. As I said, whatever you search for is not new, whereas Truth is ABSOLUTELY new. You can never search for something absolutely new.
Forget what JC said or 'JP' claimed, it's not of much help, because JC is not present, so all you are left with are interpretations. Indeed, the man who can see must say that, ' there is no other way but through me.' There is nothing wrong with that, I could easily say it, but it's also easy for people to fall prey to such words, and instead worship a figure rather than find Truth.
Also, you seem to ignore the fact that there are more people who worship Buddha than JC—because there are so many people of Asian descent. In the end, they were both wrong!
JC never understood the self and hid behind 'belief', while Buddha came up with a path even though any paths/methods are too slow for the fast-moving Truth.
enjoy you two. You with your warring the spirit attitude indulge thineselves
sEE ya
.. In the end ; All of our statements, I'll concede, are perceptions ..{D-u-h?!} .. Though the fact that you're implying, that you prefer to remain coy, about what you're presently 'seeking', {if Any philosophical 'truth'}; Does Not bear on, what you presumably, were existentially seeking for, in your past ; And that you settled, on your present world-view, in the same way, we All tend to ; Eg., The sorting out, & discarding/ 'saving'-incorporating, process.
Incidentally ; Christian tradition will support me, in that, 'worship' in-and-of itself, is Not wrong; Provided, the existential reasons For worship, are valid ; If also, a perceptional 'call' as-it-were.
'JC' - "If, I forbade the people, {surrounding him}, from wanting to touch & worship me ; The very rocks, would cry out." ..{Not, an 'off-the-wall' statement .. if what He was saying, had existential validity}.
There's nothing coy: I am not seeking that which is already discovered. It was just not discovered through seeking, which denies that word in the first place, 'discovery',
So, what is the solution to suffering? Religion is out, because it never stopped the suffering.
What else?
.. Might as well add, Non-believer, "Friederich Nietzsche" to your 'Out' list, while you're at it.
Suffering has NO meaning. End of story.
Finding a meaning is just invoking an excuse for not ending it.
And the 'non-believer' is but a misnomer: the so-called non-believer also believes, deep inside, just like the so-called believer also doesn't believe, deep inside, that is, he has doubts.
And berween believing and not believing, between belief and doubt lies the whole field of suffering.
Despite being convinced of the contrary, Nietzsche was also a believer...
.. Before 'suffering' can have, even a modest reduction, in its' Not quite, universality status ; Our predominately, public-educational-system ; Will need to become, a noticeably More, altruistic, and compassionate place of learning.
Given, that there has been little or No motion, in that direction, these many years, {that I'm aware of}.. I think, that trying to get the 'cows' to return to their 'stables', on a more timely basis ; Might be a comparable, if fanciful, goal. o:
Yes, but who's in charge of the 'cows'?? There are nothing but 'cows'...The teachers can teach strictly in their respective domains; as human beings, they are lost, just like everybody else.
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The point is, if I see no correlation between age and intelligence, I never ask that question. If one really sees it's rather irrelevant, then they never ask it.
For instance, many if not most people ask the common question 'Where are you from?' When pointed out that it's irrelevant because we're all very similar, we're all human beings, not American or Russian human beings, they all agree but they don't realize they don't really agree or else they wouldn't ask that question to begin with.
The point is to realize that when I ask another where are you from, I really believe that we're not quite similar regardless of one's 'culture', and moreover, I simply want to say 'Where did you come from, and what made you come into this great society of ours, ' the greatest country on Earth' ?! In other words, I am superior because I was born here and you weren't, thus you are inferior, such are the games of the ego!
So there is a similarity, when certain things are understood, certain questions are simply not asked.