R.I.P. Michael Jackson

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Gregg-Turkington wrote:
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The kid's stuff already has been taken seperately from a view on his work.……

Obviously he also liked to sleep in bed with strange children, and I don't think he gets a pass for that because he made good albums….

So stupid……

Does he get a pass or not?  Idiots give him a pass; Idiots separate his work from abusing children.    It’s not rocket science.   

 

Make your argument for him being a child molester.

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"A pass" meaning I don't excuse anything I know him to have done with children based off of being some type of fan. 

If you are suggesting people won't have an opinion on some of the most well known pop music in existence, then good luck with that.

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Gregg-Turkington wrote:
Problem5826 wrote:

 

The kid's stuff already has been taken seperately from a view on his work.……

Obviously he also liked to sleep in bed with strange children, and I don't think he gets a pass for that because he made good albums….

So stupid……

Does he get a pass or not?  Idiots give him a pass; Idiots separate his work from abusing children.    It’s not rocket science.   

That dude was innocent, lived very innocent, even married life very innocent, and attempted to hope to only see everyone the innocence like a child, was his mindset, not of the world but of innocence, and yes he did too heal a girl from cancer, can be found in records by some decent thorough searching for that, but I know it’s legitimate. I met one of his bodyguards, told me how he was getting jacked in many ways because of other’s jealousy, lol even Prince. The dude absolutely knew that MJ was innocent of anything out to get some of his fortune. Even Mc Cartney had told Michael a great business in buying out artist’s music, so lmfao that’s exactly what he did and was able to handle what the Beatles’ music was being sold for where Paul said it was too out of his area, and then Yoko okayed that it’s better MJ with it all than anyone else! 😂

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WTF? Cant say I understand people who riff off about how "great" MJ's music was. "King of Pop" title? Sure... as pop music goes, his was mos def up there. Goes to show you... with pop music, all you need are catchy tunes and you can sing about anything... such as your inner-torment and resolving the desire to molest little boys.

 

The kid's stuff already has been taken seperately from a view on his work.

I can appreciate a very well made album regardless of genre - more so with bad onwards since he was writing. Not like I'm exactly sitting there listening to him now or something, but he was very talented.

No argument from me on his musical talent. Kevin Spacey was a talented actor. Of course the fall out from him getting me-too'd probably has more to do with gayness vs rapey.

As to the logic of considering the preponderance of evidence and coming to the conclusion MJ is innocent baffles me. At the core of that belief is the idea people will do/say anything for money, ie, regular folk (and MJs accusers were not all regular folk) are corrupt. But I know MJ fans get even more defensive, excusing MJ's frankly bizarre and pathological behaviour cause he's rich and famous rather than MJ having a twisted moral compass. Again, defending the rich & famous using regular folk as corrupt and immoral as the central core of the argument.

But seriously... "Beat it. Just beat it... cause I wanna be bad" doesnt make your hair cringe a little? Or MJ looking at the "man in the mirror" has nothing to do with his molest-y guilt?

Here's the bottom line: there is no taking anything separate from anything ESPECIALLY when it comes to artistic creation. Art lays at the very core of a person's being. Or alternatively, presenting this idea in a different context, people often say "the person I am at work isnt the person I am in my personal life".... like really? the person one "pretends" to be, for the sake of monetary compensation, has ZERO impact on how a person shapes their... person-ness? I just execute people as a job. It doesnt impact me as a person.....

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otherworld wrote:
Problem5826 wrote:
otherworld wrote:

WTF? Cant say I understand people who riff off about how "great" MJ's music was. "King of Pop" title? Sure... as pop music goes, his was mos def up there. Goes to show you... with pop music, all you need are catchy tunes and you can sing about anything... such as your inner-torment and resolving the desire to molest little boys.

 

The kid's stuff already has been taken seperately from a view on his work.

I can appreciate a very well made album regardless of genre - more so with bad onwards since he was writing. Not like I'm exactly sitting there listening to him now or something, but he was very talented.

No argument from me on his musical talent. Kevin Spacey was a talented actor. Of course the fall out from him getting me-too'd probably has more to do with gayness vs rapey.

As to the logic of considering the preponderance of evidence and coming to the conclusion MJ is innocent baffles me. At the core of that belief is the idea people will do/say anything for money, ie, regular folk (and MJs accusers were not all regular folk) are corrupt. But I know MJ fans get even more defensive, excusing MJ's frankly bizarre and pathological behaviour cause he's rich and famous rather than MJ having a twisted moral compass. Again, defending the rich & famous using regular folk as corrupt and immoral as the central core of the argument.

But seriously... "Beat it. Just beat it... cause I wanna be bad" doesnt make your hair cringe a little? Or MJ looking at the "man in the mirror" has nothing to do with his molest-y guilt?

Here's the bottom line: there is no taking anything separate from anything ESPECIALLY when it comes to artistic creation. Art lays at the very core of a person's being. Or alternatively, presenting this idea in a different context, people often say "the person I am at work isnt the person I am in my personal life".... like really? the person one "pretends" to be, for the sake of monetary compensation, has ZERO impact on how a person shapes their... person-ness? I just execute people as a job. It doesnt impact me as a person.....

 

"Preponderance of evidence", most people haven't the interest to go through it. I've seen the Bashir documentary and the documentary made in response to that.

Didn't watch the trial (although it was on every day if I recall). Didn't read anything about it. Didn't watch the four hour film a few years ago, or the two documentaries and statements released etc etc. Celebrity gossip might as well be in Chinese for all the notice that I take of it.

Apparently Jackson's music sales and streaming shot up 10% with the new documentary, and three of his albums went back into the UK charts. It's absolutely possible that the justice system failed these people, but it's also not sensible to expect the public to have to judge it all.

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Problem5826 wrote:

Apparently Jackson's music sales and streaming shot up 10% with the new documentary, and three of his albums went back into the UK charts. It's absolutely possible that the justice system failed these people, but it's also not sensible to expect the public to have to judge it all.

Or its possible the public is made up of one too many pedos. Cant argue MJs tunes are not catchy. Can say the lyrics for many of those tunes reveal a deeper inner earning. Yes, yes... lyrics for many songs mean what the listener feels it to mean, Hendrix "All Along the Watch Tower" would be a good example. So would Queen/Bowie "Under Pressure", but with this song, while we can all relate in that sense of being "under pressure", thus revealing art's universal appeal, that song nevertheless has a clear discernible meaning to the song writer. MJs accusers are credible. If those accusations were made by regular people against a regular person, no doubt the public would side against the accused. Yet we give a pass to MJ cause he wrote iconic pop music. This is called blindness, or put in liberal speak, "I dont see colour".... or put in MJ speak, "am I black or am I white?"

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...yes, I know there's a grammatical error in the post, but I cant be bothered to deal with c.com's crappy code to make the edit.

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Oh... and kinda off topic, but I have noticed that since changing my flag to that of the Glorious, Triumphant, God-like DPRK, there's been a notable uptick with American players playing supper aggressively.

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otherworld wrote:
Problem5826 wrote:

Apparently Jackson's music sales and streaming shot up 10% with the new documentary, and three of his albums went back into the UK charts. It's absolutely possible that the justice system failed these people, but it's also not sensible to expect the public to have to judge it all.

Or its possible the public is made up of one too many pedos. Cant argue MJs tunes are not catchy. Can say the lyrics for many of those tunes reveal a deeper inner earning. Yes, yes... lyrics for many songs mean what the listener feels it to mean, Hendrix "All Along the Watch Tower" would be a good example. So would Queen/Bowie "Under Pressure", but with this song, while we can all relate in that sense of being "under pressure", thus revealing art's universal appeal, that song nevertheless has a clear discernible meaning to the song writer. MJs accusers are credible. If those accusations were made by regular people against a regular person, no doubt the public would side against the accused. Yet we give a pass to MJ cause he wrote iconic pop music. This is called blindness, or put in liberal speak, "I dont see colour".... or put in MJ speak, "am I black or am I white?"

LMFAO you said credible 🤣 ..most who attempted to claim he was such as you’re wishing to believe wanted part of his fortune. What about the very aware’d Macaulay Culkin, who to this day completely testifies MJs innocence? ehh ?

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….he many times joined sleep overs of his

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Eeeew that’s gross!

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…in what way? 

..sure, given it was of such garbage dirty mindedness that you all have chosen to believe about his eccentricness, then yeah that would be disgusting, but that kid, that I think has experienced similar things that surely weren’t from his friend MJ stands his ground regarding Michael’s innocence yo.

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….perhaps you care to explain that ?

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Explain what?  Why?

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…my inquiry in #93

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….why would he stand strong for his innocence were he to have done as all you dirty minded think he has?

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Perhaps THAT alone played a big part in Court

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Nasty.

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lol nah… that was Janet 😂

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