The illusion of identity

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RonaldJosephCote

              Einstein's talking about your post 92 Sean,   Robert Lanza

RonaldJosephCote

              Ok,  now you got me.  "Enlighten us grasshopper, please"Cry       Oh, I get it!Surprised    We're sapose to guess your age.  No..wait...We're sapose to guess WHO you were, before your start date--Oct 28

Feufollet

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RonaldJosephCote

                     Out of respect for the OP, I'll let it go.  But at another time, in another thread...Undecided       "Dude, I'm so smart about this"

Feufollet

I'll buy Pierre Teilhard de Chardin idea though, that all complex systems have consciousness of some form. I think I've said this several times in other threads, albeit not in those exact words.

Feufollet

Sound is an actual mechanical phenomenon. It exists even if our eardrums are not within that  vicinity to get hit by those oscillating mechanical waves.

You will know that that sound was there - even though YOU WERE NOT...because it was recorded LOL....

And in the forests, when you seen an unusually big mound of deer dropping - it's evidence that there was sound there -  because the deer shat in it's pants when thunder roared....Laughing

Feufollet

Hiya Sean :)...going good..hope yours going well too!

Syd_Arthur

There was a pretty cool show, "The Secret Life of Plants"....they were saying that plants are a lot more aware of stimuli, including sound, I think, than humans give them credit for.

It's just that their reactions usually occur on a slow scale that we can't see.

Feufollet

This is true Syd_Authur...plants are after all lifeforms...all life forms have some consciousness...they seek to sustain their animated state

Feufollet
lucamovitch wrote:
SeanHarper15 wrote:

However if complex systems such as the matter and molecules that make up your bed, sheets, floor ect. have a consciousness then they know they are there. And your room stays put.

Omg

What is this place?
Stupidity is all over the place
I just wrote a poem
You guys made me a poet
If you see your mom
Say hello from me
She remembers back in 69
She gave me a bj


lol

 

 


 

What happened to you lucamovitch...you were carrying on a level-headed conversation, then this poem ?!

Hope you didn't take what I say as directed at you...

Feufollet
SeanHarper15 wrote:

Its snowing in Colorado, and cold. But yes, my day is going well  :)  I got tickets for the Denver Nuggets game tonight, I am tsking my 11 year old son! That should be fun..

Sounds like fun, Sean.

DiogenesDue

From Merriam-Webster:

Sound (noun)

a :  a particular auditory impression :  tone

b :  the sensation perceived by the sense of hearing

c :  mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing

All arguments about trees falling in the forest yadda yadda yadda are based on the fact that some people are using definition B to define sound, and some are using definition C.

The problem is only one of language, not science.  If there were two words for sound, one of which indicates the sensation of sound waves vibrating your eardrum and being transmitted to the brain, and the other indicating actual sound waves traveling through a medium regardless of ears being nearby...then this whole question would be moot.

Language is very imprecise.

Feufollet

It makes sense to me Sean, plants are the most fragile and vulnerable of all life forms...it only makes sense that they experience everything on the minutest of scales

Feufollet
btickler wrote:

From Merriam-Webster:

Sound (noun)

a :  a particular auditory impression :  tone

b :  the sensation perceived by the sense of hearing

c :  mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing

All arguments about trees falling the forest yadda yadda yadda are based on the fact that some people are using definition B to define sound, and some are using definition C.

The problem is only one of language, not science.  If there were two words for sound, one of which indicates the sensation of sound waves vibrating your eardrum and being transmitted to the brain, and the other indicating actual sound waves traveling through a medium regardless of ears being nearby...then this whole question would be moot.

Language is very imprecise.

All I wanted to say was  the mechanical vibrations occurred at a particular time and space....even if no human was there to "hear" or "record" it....

It was there.

Senior-Lazarus_Long
BlackLeopard-1 wrote:

It makes sense to me Sean, plants are the most fragile and vulnerable of all life forms...it only makes sense that they experience everything on the minutest of scales

Fragile,and vulnerable? There are algae that live at the North Pole. Sage Brush can thrive in some brutal conditions.

Feufollet
lucamovitch wrote:

I saw this kind of birds in South Italy. I got very close to one of them. I whistled to calm the bird. It wasn't scared, looked at me for a while then it took off.

 

We got a family of like 8 skunks living in the neighbourhood...I approached one in my front yard to say hello...it looked at me as if contemplating how it should respond to me...in the end it just decided to ignore me and walked away Laughing

Feufollet
Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:
BlackLeopard-1 wrote:

It makes sense to me Sean, plants are the most fragile and vulnerable of all life forms...it only makes sense that they experience everything on the minutest of scales

Fragile,and vulnerable? There are algae that live at the North Pole. Sage Brush can thrive in some brutal conditions.

Not all plants are algae or Sage Brush...I have gardens in the front yard and the back yard...they're not algae or sage brush LOL

Syd_Arthur

"Maximum Yield" lol.

It's good to know you are guys out west are paying so much attention to growing broccolli at high altitudes.

Most vegetables are very photoperiod sensitive; sufficent lumens, and adequate COare important also.

Feufollet
lucamovitch wrote:
BlackLeopard-1 wrote:

We got a family of like 8 skunks living in the neighbourhood...I approached one in my front yard to say hello...it looked at me as if contemplating how it should respond to me...in the end it just decided to ignore me and walked away

We have turtles living in a creek near our house. When I go there they come out the water and recognize me. They respond well to whistling as well. But, if kids make noise they dive into the water.

Every animal on the planet knows kids are brutes...they'll pluck of the wings if there be any...pull on the tail if there be any, or kidnap them and hide them in the dresser drawers from the parents...

electricpawn

"I think therefore I am,"

Were the words of Des Cartes.

During a calculus exam

He released a toxic fart.

 

His students began to wonder

If they were chemical too,

Less French philosopher

A bit more like strange brew.

 

The question of identity

Has always intrigued police

Who apprehend the entities

Who try to disrupt the peace.

 

They liked the chemical theory.

It made suspects easy to catch.

But they failed with trial by jury,

Identities are from one batch.