Ok, now you got me. "Enlighten us grasshopper, please" Oh, I get it!
We're sapose to guess your age. No..wait...We're sapose to guess WHO you were, before your start date--Oct 28
The illusion of identity


Out of respect for the OP, I'll let it go. But at another time, in another thread... "Dude, I'm so smart about this"

I'll buy Pierre Teilhard de Chardin idea though, that all complex systems have consciousness of some form. I think I've said this several times in other threads, albeit not in those exact words.

Sound is an actual mechanical phenomenon. It exists even if our eardrums are not within that vicinity to get hit by those oscillating mechanical waves.
You will know that that sound was there - even though YOU WERE NOT...because it was recorded LOL....
And in the forests, when you seen an unusually big mound of deer dropping - it's evidence that there was sound there - because the deer shat in it's pants when thunder roared....

There was a pretty cool show, "The Secret Life of Plants"....they were saying that plants are a lot more aware of stimuli, including sound, I think, than humans give them credit for.
It's just that their reactions usually occur on a slow scale that we can't see.

This is true Syd_Authur...plants are after all lifeforms...all life forms have some consciousness...they seek to sustain their animated state

However if complex systems such as the matter and molecules that make up your bed, sheets, floor ect. have a consciousness then they know they are there. And your room stays put.
Omg
What is this place?
Stupidity is all over the place
I just wrote a poem
You guys made me a poet
If you see your mom
Say hello from me
She remembers back in 69
She gave me a bj
lol
What happened to you lucamovitch...you were carrying on a level-headed conversation, then this poem ?!
Hope you didn't take what I say as directed at you...

Its snowing in Colorado, and cold. But yes, my day is going well :) I got tickets for the Denver Nuggets game tonight, I am tsking my 11 year old son! That should be fun..
Sounds like fun, Sean.

From Merriam-Webster:
Sound (noun)
a : a particular auditory impression : tone
b : the sensation perceived by the sense of hearing
c : mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing
All arguments about trees falling in the forest yadda yadda yadda are based on the fact that some people are using definition B to define sound, and some are using definition C.
The problem is only one of language, not science. If there were two words for sound, one of which indicates the sensation of sound waves vibrating your eardrum and being transmitted to the brain, and the other indicating actual sound waves traveling through a medium regardless of ears being nearby...then this whole question would be moot.
Language is very imprecise.

It makes sense to me Sean, plants are the most fragile and vulnerable of all life forms...it only makes sense that they experience everything on the minutest of scales

From Merriam-Webster:
Sound (noun)
a : a particular auditory impression : tone
b : the sensation perceived by the sense of hearing
c : mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing
All arguments about trees falling the forest yadda yadda yadda are based on the fact that some people are using definition B to define sound, and some are using definition C.
The problem is only one of language, not science. If there were two words for sound, one of which indicates the sensation of sound waves vibrating your eardrum and being transmitted to the brain, and the other indicating actual sound waves traveling through a medium regardless of ears being nearby...then this whole question would be moot.
Language is very imprecise.
All I wanted to say was the mechanical vibrations occurred at a particular time and space....even if no human was there to "hear" or "record" it....
It was there.

It makes sense to me Sean, plants are the most fragile and vulnerable of all life forms...it only makes sense that they experience everything on the minutest of scales
Fragile,and vulnerable? There are algae that live at the North Pole. Sage Brush can thrive in some brutal conditions.

I saw this kind of birds in South Italy. I got very close to one of them. I whistled to calm the bird. It wasn't scared, looked at me for a while then it took off.
We got a family of like 8 skunks living in the neighbourhood...I approached one in my front yard to say hello...it looked at me as if contemplating how it should respond to me...in the end it just decided to ignore me and walked away

It makes sense to me Sean, plants are the most fragile and vulnerable of all life forms...it only makes sense that they experience everything on the minutest of scales
Fragile,and vulnerable? There are algae that live at the North Pole. Sage Brush can thrive in some brutal conditions.
Not all plants are algae or Sage Brush...I have gardens in the front yard and the back yard...they're not algae or sage brush LOL

"Maximum Yield" lol.
It's good to know you are guys out west are paying so much attention to growing broccolli at high altitudes.
Most vegetables are very photoperiod sensitive; sufficent lumens, and adequate CO2 are important also.

We got a family of like 8 skunks living in the neighbourhood...I approached one in my front yard to say hello...it looked at me as if contemplating how it should respond to me...in the end it just decided to ignore me and walked away
We have turtles living in a creek near our house. When I go there they come out the water and recognize me. They respond well to whistling as well. But, if kids make noise they dive into the water.
Every animal on the planet knows kids are brutes...they'll pluck of the wings if there be any...pull on the tail if there be any, or kidnap them and hide them in the dresser drawers from the parents...

"I think therefore I am,"
Were the words of Des Cartes.
During a calculus exam
He released a toxic fart.
His students began to wonder
If they were chemical too,
Less French philosopher
A bit more like strange brew.
The question of identity
Has always intrigued police
Who apprehend the entities
Who try to disrupt the peace.
They liked the chemical theory.
It made suspects easy to catch.
But they failed with trial by jury,
Identities are from one batch.
Einstein's talking about your post 92 Sean, Robert Lanza