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You are speaking my language .

I find letting go of trying to understand things we just be and eventually come to see that the everything is all there is .

Just be you know .

But you don't have to gain spiritual insight through this practice to use it . I mean sure naturally it comes but it's a great way to relax and get comfortable .

Try it guys !
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Let that quiet darkness be your whole mind and like a mirror to you.Smile

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That's fun buni but to choose not to solve doesn't mean not to live . The opposite is true .

When we aren't busy analysing we are noticing . Living . Being mindful. Experiencing . Seeing the true nature of reality not being lost in our thoughts . Being in the now . The present moment . Right here, right now . Back to life , back to reality , back to the here and now .

Try it! Choose not to solve when you conceive a problem ! Repeatedly .
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Quiet yes . Darkness no. Just noticing what is naturally . A mirror , interesting . Certainly a reflection I suppose . Maybe you are ahead of me sir. Have you climbed the ladder? If you haven't perhaps you'd like to try . It sure is relaxing . It's simple but any questions I'll answer .
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Senior rise above it . When our mind conceives this whole problem just rise above it all through not worrying about it . Get an overhead view . A complete view . Step outside the problem . Get clarity for seeing the forest rather than the trees .
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Well, its a nice idea, but....

I'm trying to solve the problem of how to get to a meeting today... ah, no I'll not bother and stay in bed and climb the ladder... Avoidance

Problem at work, let someone else deal with it? Not really a way to impress.

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God>The cloud of unknowing>You>The cloud of forgetting>Everything in the world.Cool

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Right Carla . Here's the thing . Very occasionally we have to worry . We have to solve . As you say I've got an appointment , I need to solve the problem of how to get there.

Generally speaking though there is no need to worry . To solve . The absolute majority of our day.

When we need to solve there is no choice being experienced . We know that absolutely we have to .


Look can't you take thirty minutes today ? Sit and listen to music , lie on your bed , go for a walk . All this without worrying about anything . You can't take half an hour without worrying ? Really ?!

Anyway Carla it's not about avoidance . I never ever choose to solve and yet I live in the moment . I'm an active father and an active worker . I am a loving husband .

Carla worrying doesn't bring you new information . It obscures reality .

There is this idea it's noble to worry . It's a crock . Worrying and panicking make you less effective and less responsive .

Better to deal with what's happening in the now .

Hey Carla how about this ? How about you try what I'm suggesting , try it for five minutes , five minutes then post again .

I'll remind you guys what to do .
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Okay so just notice your experience . This naturally happens . You can't avoid it !

Notice your vision your hearing , your touch . Notice your thoughts and feelings . Any tensions within your body . Observe experience .

Sooner or later your mind will conceive a problem and you'll be presented / aware of a choice whether or not to solve .

Choose not to solve .

Again the experience of your consciousness will return .

Soon enough a solution appears .


Then back to being aware .


Then once again a problem . Choose not to solve again .

And so on .
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I guarantee that anyone that tries this if they do it for half an hour will feel refreshed , relaxed and more mentally healthy . Just try it and tell me if I'm right or wrong !

Even for a little ol five minutes !
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Ah senior I like that .

Maybe that's the true ladder summed up .

Glad to have met you sir .
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Well I tried . I guess the world wasn't ready for my new insight . To be fair I suppose it's basically mindfulness anyway
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I think I've finshed recording but I'm not sure. 

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Ok, well hurry up. 

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Carla I have a confession . I didn't like seeing I was the last contributor to my threads so I posted . Pathetic really.

I've seen you talking about people blocking you . They must be crazy. You are gentle and sweet. Anyway I'm just going to be posting on Tom going forward . I know I'm a handful even on one thread
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can I have a whoop?