The Science of Biological Evolution (no politics or religion)

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There have been several man made forced reproductions caused by man, tigers are one. It produces a different looking species but it died out. Man can force a pregnancy  between very close DNA but it dies out it doesn't continue to reproduce this new look alike. And the new look alike also dies out, it doesn't continue. that is because all living things reproduce after their own kind. It's fact no matter what you believe. Look it up, don't take my word for it.

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Nope, we have hundreds of varieties of hybrid fruits and vegitables. They reproduce just fine.

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rouge_9 wrote:

well, there is the whole hybrid thing. a hybrid isn't a whole new species.things only do produce their own kind.(I  hope. otherwise I and my girlfriend could have a baby iguana) Well at least one of you has some sense.

 

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There are hybrid baboons thriving in the wild today.

In 1986, Samuels and Altmann reported evidence for a hybrid zone between Papio anubis and Papio cynocephalus in Amboseli, Kenya, in a baboon population that has been the subject of long-term study since 1971 [Samuels & Altmann, International Journal of Primatology 7:131-138, 1986]. In the current report we document ongoing patterns of hybridization in Amboseli between anubis and yellow baboons. In July 2000, we exhaustively scored living members of study groups for their degree of hybridity, using seven phenotypic characteristics (five in juveniles). We also scored all former members of study groups on the basis of photographic records, field notes, and observer recollections. A total of five anubis males and 11 males with hybrid phenotypes have immigrated into study groups over the course of the long-term study, and immigrations by hybrid males have increased in frequency over time. Further, the increasing frequency of hybrid phenotypes among animals born into study groups indicates that anubis and hybrid males have successfully reproduced in study groups. 

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...also many hybrid flowers breed true. You can go to your local nursary and get the seeds for several dozen diffrent types.

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Joseph Campbell.

=1000 ;p

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Citrus hybrids include many varieties and species that have been selected by plant breeders, Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

Nope, we have hundreds of varieties of hybrid fruits and vegitables. They reproduce just fine. Citrus hybrids include many varieties and species that have been selected by plant breeders, You can mate a white American with someone from Japan, and you get someone a little different but they are still human.  The point is, fruit are still fruit, humans are still human, and not something else. Every thing alive pr0duces after it's own kind.

 

 

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Small changes accumulate over millions of years. That's evolution.

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Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

...also many hybrid flowers breed true. You can go to your local nursary and get the seeds for several dozen different types.

Man does that. They are still flowers. You can dye your hair a different color, but your still you, not something else.

 

 

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Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

Our Family. Oh, I'm sorry.

 

 

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Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

Small changes accumulate over millions of years. That's evolution.

No it is not.

 

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pawnkeeper wrote:

There have been several man made forced reproductions caused by man, tigers are one. It produces a different looking species but it died out. Man can force a pregnancy  between very close DNA but it dies out it doesn't continue to reproduce this new look alike. And the new look alike also dies out, it doesn't continue. that is because all living things reproduce after their own kind. It's fact no matter what you believe. Look it up, don't take my word for it.

Lol I just posted you an example of a non-intentioal hybid, then afterwards you procees to state that the hybrids are "forced.

Instead of me posting the example again, just head back to page 71, it's still there for ya.

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A “superathlete” gene that helps Sherpas and other Tibetans breathe easy at high altitudes was inherited from an ancient species of human. That’s the conclusion of a new study, which finds that the gene variant came from people known as Denisovans, who went extinct soon after they mated with the ancestors of Europeans and Asians about 40,000 years ago. This is the first time a version of a gene acquired from interbreeding with another type of human has been shown to help modern humans adapt to their environment.

Breathing easy. This Tibetan inherited a beneficial high-altitude gene from archaic Denisovan people.

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rouge_9 wrote:

well, there is the whole hybrid thing. a hybrid isn't a whole new species.things only do produce their own kind.(I  hope. otherwise I and my girlfriend could have a baby iguana) 

Indeed it isn't, nobody said hybrid = species.

It was just the easiest way of showing that pawnkeepers statement

all living things reproduce after their own kind. They don't reproduce something else, a true fact


is wrong. Geeps are real living things.

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pawnkeeper wrote:
Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

...also many hybrid flowers breed true. You can go to your local nursary and get the seeds for several dozen different types.

Man does that. They are still flowers. You can dye your hair a different color, but your still you, not something else.

 

 

Wrong again, it happens off course also in nature.

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Natural hybridisation is a significant evolutionary process that occurs in some groups of plants and can result in progeny that are able to exploit new habitats and possibly lead to the formation of new species. In general the incidence of natural hybridisation in Australian orchids is low, but it occurs more often in certain groups and involves both terrestrial and epiphytic species. The discovery of a natural hybrid generally arouses interest, although some observers take it to the extreme and display more interest in the hybrid than in the parent species involved.

Interspecific Hybrids: The majority of hybrids occur between species within a genus. The parent species can share similarities and appear to be related (e.g. hybrids between Jonesiopsis nobilis and J. footeana; also J. caesarea and J. polychroma, Caladenia flava and C. latifolia) or to be quite distinct morphologically and distantly related at best (e.g. hybrids between Jonesiopsis sigmoidea and J. microchila; also J. multiclavia and J. horistes, Diuris punctata and D. behrii). The attached image shows a natural hybrid (centre) between Thelymitra fuscolutea (LHS) and T. macrophylla from southwest of Albany, Western Australia, both from very different groups within Thelymitra."

 

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/cd-keys/orchidkey/html/intro-c_hybrid.html

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Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
pawnkeeper wrote:

There have been several man made forced reproductions caused by man, tigers are one. It produces a different looking species but it died out. Man can force a pregnancy  between very close DNA but it dies out it doesn't continue to reproduce this new look alike. And the new look alike also dies out, it doesn't continue. that is because all living things reproduce after their own kind. It's fact no matter what you believe. Look it up, don't take my word for it.

Lol I just posted you an example of a non-intentioal hybid, then afterwards you procees to state that the hybrids are "forced.

Instead of me posting the example again, just head back to page 71, it's still there for ya. I gave forced examples. I don't know if your example was force or not . the same rule applies. They will die out. All living things reproduce after their own kind.

 

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Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:
Very colorful.

 

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Well it was written quite clearly in what i copypasted from the article that it wasn't "forced", but a result of the initiative of a goat and a sheep :) I guess you don't read anything we write so I wonder what kind of a debate this is if you simply keep posting nonsense and just don't read when you are corrected.

All living things reproduce after their own kind. - Do you deny a sheep and a goat are living things lol?

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Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
pawnkeeper wrote:
Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

...also many hybrid flowers breed true. You can go to your local nursary and get the seeds for several dozen different types.

Man does that. They are still flowers. You can dye your hair a different color, but your still you, not something else.

 

 

Wrong again, it happens off course also in nature.

"

Natural hybridisation is a significant evolutionary process that occurs in some groups of plants and can result in progeny that are able to exploit new habitats and possibly lead to the formation of new species. In general the incidence of natural hybridisation in Australian orchids is low, but it occurs more often in certain groups and involves both terrestrial and epiphytic species. The discovery of a natural hybrid generally arouses interest, although some observers take it to the extreme and display more interest in the hybrid than in the parent species involved.

Interspecific Hybrids: The majority of hybrids occur between species within a genus. The parent species can share similarities and appear to be related (e.g. hybrids between Jonesiopsis nobilis and J. footeana; also J. caesarea and J. polychroma, Caladenia flava and C. latifolia) or to be quite distinct morphologically and distantly related at best (e.g. hybrids between Jonesiopsis sigmoidea and J. microchila; also J. multiclavia and J. horistes, Diuris punctata and D. behrii). The attached image shows a natural hybrid (centre) between Thelymitra fuscolutea (LHS) and T. macrophylla from southwest of Albany, Western Australia, both from very different groups within Thelymitra."

 

 

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/cd-keys/orchidkey/html/intro-c_hybrid.html