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God made everything don t ask these things Don

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An odd, {if thought-provoking} 'vlog'-ending. And, for those who want to 'cut-to-the-chase' as it were - I'm referring, to the 2 min. and 30 second mark, of this 3 min. plus 'vlog-link' - Where he makes an accronym, reference-and-observation, that 10 min. ago.. I would've been clueless about - Re. said 'fap' or 'fapping.'  o:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTpgEw5gsuk

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Md aka Don you know fine well that I hold it to be true that there is a natural explanation for everything. Everything.

I think I see tonight where my search is continuing .

I accept God doesn't exist. I accept free will doesn't exist .

But I. I'm not sure whether or not I exist.

By that I don't mean thought feeling and behaviour. That's causality .

I mean consciousness. Am I consciousness?!

Are you?
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Does consciousness exist? Yes!

I can take a look at what that is .
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Well consciousness .
What can I be conscious off?

I can notice the universe . My environment . I can notice my thoughts feelings and behaviours.

Anything else?
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Ha ha . It didn't work! I'm still wondering . I wonder if I'll spin in circles forever.

Reminds me of you can call me Al.

He sees angels in the architecture. Spinning in infinity he says hey hallelujah.
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Can I notice I'm conscious?

I can notice I'm experiencing sensations. Notice physical internal sensations.

I can notice I'm feeling thinking and behaving.

I can notice I'm on. I mean aware. That I'm aware of the outside world .

Aware experience is happening .

I think we human beings are special in that way .

Many animals don't recognise their own reflection . Like me when I haven't shaved .
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Nope but I probably ought to be
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So if there is a me its this consciousness . And yet I can't control whether or not it exists .

People would say sure you can . Just kill yourself .

I've accepted though that free will doesn't exist so that's not accurate .

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Sure md . I'll focus .
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Consciousness is something that just happens. I mean we don't choose to be born.

This consciousness is generic.

I guess a person could argue that this experiencing is a type of identity .

If that's true though then it's a we rather than an I . Because we all have this generic consciousness .
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But how can we claim that this consciousness is us when we have no control of it?

We can't. It's just what is . It's a part of nature .

So no! No!

I does not exist. I doesn't ! I don't I don't I don't!

I think therefore I am.

False !

There's thinking but as free will is a delusion the truth is that thought does not belong to anyone .

It's just a part of natural evolution .
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So this is it guys .

No god.

No free will.

No I .

All there is then is nature. Clearly nature exists right?

After all there clearly exist matter and life forms .

So my friends, and by that I mean me as I'm the only one that reads me, I'll look next at what nature is.

Perhaps Tom what you'll find next is that nature doesn't exist either. Nothing exist!

Let me take you down, cos I'm going to... Strawberry fields, nothing is real. And nothing to get hung about .
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Tomism:

This consciousness is generic.

Fabulous!

It's been a day now, you've been slacking.

A generic consciousness! !

We are all the same. No individuality.

I do not think for myself, should've known.

Keep em coming tom!

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I think if you are an op for long enough you lose all touch with reality. Like those guys in the movie in the Antarctic . I'll eat my own arm at some point .
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Hi Don. Welcome back .

You are like superman . Taking the cape on and off.
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Sure individuality exists. One flower isn't precisely the same as the other .

But the flower isn't controlling the universe! Creating destiny.

My friend we human beings have an absolutely over inflated sense of our own importance .

Put it this way Don. If it's true that free will isn't real, would you still see the I as you see yourself to be to be so individual?
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Tom writes:

Perhaps Tom what you'll find next is that nature doesn't exist either. Nothing exist!

2nd tomism in a matter of minutes!!

Now we're getting down to it.

Nothing exists! !!!

Profound. Socrates couldn't have said it better.

tom, thank you. I really thought I existed. It's all clear now.

Btw, ur one paranoid dude thinking I'm the idiot Don.

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Tom, I take it, that you never excelled at 'debating' .. Since, with your getting 'rather Old' by now, repetitive-virtual-mantra, of 'There is No god'..{or 'God'}.. No 'free will'.. <-{I'm of the rather restricted 'f.w.' btw}, etc. - That you remind me somewhat, of the cartoonish character, covering his ears - Whilst his contrarian 'debating' opponent, is speaking.. and saying.. over-and-over - "N-a-h..N-a-h..N-a-h.. I C-a-n' t, H-E-A-R - Y-U-U'!!

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My friend we human beings have an absolutely over inflated sense of our own importance .

I am more important than the entire universe. My very existance substantiates this. The same goes for you tom. The difference between us is I understand this. You think of yourself as nothing, inconsequential, no will, a pawn with a predetermined path, therefore that is what you be. A chosen path of a nobody.

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