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And it's so easy to be yourself . Effortless . So if you are fortunate enough to meet someone that enjoys your company , even for a moment , it's a heavenly delight . Don't spoil it for yourself . Get out of your own way . Relax and be you .

I'm thinking Monet . Just walked under a pretty flowering tree . He painted so beautifully didn't he.

Maybe I was wrong guys it's not love that makes life worthwhile for us it's beauty . Nothing is more beautiful than love however . Selfless , wholehearted love .

I'm thinking of how wonderful it is to view a pretty flowering tree . Even without love in our lives that would be beautiful .

I remember Anne Frank talking about how life meant something if she knew the tree in the village was still there .

I even misquote Anne Frank !

Nikprit I've talked about the reason being that you can't accept that everything is natural is because you can't deal with death . Your survival instinct is getting in the way . It's more than that though it's about accepting life isn't fair .

It's not fair is it that some have short and awful lives and that's it and nothing more ?

But you know the reality is that life isn't fair . Awful , absolutely awful things happen to people for absolutely no reason at all .

It's the same with death . If death brings an end to our consciousness and all you've had is a dire existence then that sucks . But you know that's life .

There's no reason to hate though as the truth is it's all natural and the self is an illusion .

But just as we can see it as tragic and feel sad when a river drowns a child , so we can be upset that someone dies after having a short and painful life .

Life isn't fair and it can be extremely brutal .

But you know it isn't all bad . We love and wow we live in a beautiful world .

If you can keep your head while all around others are losing theirs .

It's tough when things aren't going well but you can relax and find yourself . At least that way you won't mean any harm and you'll want to help .

Live in the moment you know .

Sometimes you're just waiting for the weather to change you know ?

Tom, you can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps. A new thread, a new post, it simply won't help. There's no point in repeating anything, since you're lacking valid information. Zero plus zero is still zero.

What did Einstein say about this?

Hi Estren .

You know I thought this morning what do I want out of this thread . Well the truth is I want to know what I am .

I'm going to document what I see when I observe until I reach the point I'm satisfied or give up hoping for a conclusion .

By the way I liked the three things I came up with yesterday .

1 everything is natural not divine .

2 there is no self . Awareness is the universe experiencing itself and free will and self are illusions caused by that .

3 we naturally love and that's what makes both ourselves as well as our lives worthwhile.

And you know I'm okay I really am . I'll be okay . I don't attach , I just be me and in a that relaxed state I naturally love and that's enough for me .

Is there something that I don't understand ?
I don't know if I am love or if love is a separate thing from me .

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Tom writes:

There's no reason to hate though as the truth is it's all natural and the self is an illusion .

Honestly tom, the only person I see mentioning the word "hate" in your threads is you. I do not see anybody here concerned about hating anyone or anything.

You say "it's all natural". 1st you need define what is "all".

2nd. Your definition of natural (admittedly by you, is your own, not close to Websters). How is anyone to have a cohesive discussion when you constantly go in circles with made up nonsensical phrases?

The self as an illusion and no free will are concepts you are clueless about. They exist in thought to descibe some meaning to our existance. But for you tom, it is obvious you take these concepts and use them as an excuse, to explain away your refusal to accept personal responsibility for your actions and thoughts.

Lastly, I read some excellent posts by Nikprit and Estren in this and meditation thread. They give you choice insights. But alas, as they have pointed out, you are no closer than you began 25 threads and many months ago. In fact, all this has lead to a deeper confusion on your part. You have rejeccted/dismissed every idea or suggestion given as not for you. Typically we hear, "I get what you're saying... But (to which you twist and turn everything said into something entirely else, usually to fit your misinformed and crazy ideas)

Others have been alot nicer than myself. All along I've seen there is no hope for you unless you seek some kind of professional help. It is obvious you are blind to your OCD and whatever else ails you. I tried slapping you in the face, kicking in the arse ,but all approaches were doomed to failure.

I'll be leaving now. Say hello to your imaginary wife!

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Tom tends to space out when we discuss mindfulness. It's like a blind spot. He will claim to be mindful, and move on, but everything said in these threads proves otherwise.

The OCD makes it very difficult, if not impossible, to be mindful. I would also recommend Tom to seek help for this.

Tom, If, you {or Anyone}, thinks that the {natural/'comes-with-the-territory'}, 'Love' that apparently 'sees fit' to share its' vibes {energy vibrations}, with us - Gives most 'aware' individuals, an approximate feeling, of 'Unconditional love'.. well it doesn't!

That would be tantamount, to any contributor here, Really liking, their Worst critic, {despite everything}.. and Truly wanting, thinking and having, their 'best interests' in mind, {All the time!}.

Incidentally, {Tom}.. Based on what you relate about your own 'loving awareness' self; I do Not view you, as being in some 'state' of 'pre-damnation' - Even, if you die {'heresy' warning, to some 'fellow believers'!} ..before coming, to a 'knowledge-of-the-Truth'!}.

But, be-that-as-it-may..{actually Is 'imho'}.. If you, allow others, who might make you feel unworthy, in some manner, of your own 'future state' conditions.. {as in 'unsettled' or 'iffy'} - Keep in mind, that-that's their {sincere, if otherwise 'programmed'} take, on how they interpret what they believe to be True - Which you'll even see, and have seen, in my own 'posts'.. though hopefully Not, in a 'judging others' sense!

  Just as, my opinion of 'free will' has recently undergone a change.. {ie. it still exists.. but Only as related, to 'minor' decisions!} - And, as I now see things - With a 'Major' Life decision, dependent, on a preceding/ mostly consecutive series, of 'minor' Different decisions ..{oops, the rest of my 'stuff' was lost, in 'cyberspace' {while composing}; But, I Did go on to, endorse the 'Catholic' concept of 'purgatory' - For people, the likes-of-you! ..{he-he}.  [ ;

I love that the contributors here are talking about the big questions . That's what interests me . I'll have to post when I can and read too . Thank you though .

Nikprit I think we can make a general realisation actually that everything is natural and that it's the human tendency to fill in the gaps of our understanding with supernatural ideas .

That doesn't have to mean we are familiar with every natural thing . Take an overview my friend.

Tom, here are two posts you wrote on your thread about OCD:

"It's not just about checking and cleaning , your thoughts get seriously screwed up and you don't think straight .
No matter what anyone says you just can't think clearly .
So there is the obsession and the compulsion . I've learned how to tackle both.
I think there is also fixating though . Talking about the same thing over and over and I don't think I've learned to cope with that yet . Maybe never will ."

Another post:

"Like for example I will notice something and just talk about it so often for so long that people around me say enough!
I don't notice itself myself really. It's like my mind just gets stuck on something."

Tom, you seem to be a nice guy. But ask yourself: Is it nice to a drag a lot of people into the roundabout of your own mind?

Hey Estren .

Two points . First say what you want when you want and read the same .

Second I'm not hurting anyone . I'm polite and respectful and wonder out loud .

Hi puppet master . What are you into ?

Okay read you fully Estren . I am mind full actually ! Even a mindful person notices thoughts and I like to write them here