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InvisibleDuck wrote:
N2UHC wrote:

"4. Re Investigate the Attacks of 9-11-2001

More and more evidence is being released to the public surrounding the suspicious circumstances surrounding 911. This measure would be included in the list of demands to show that the original investigation was significantly flawed."

 

Oh great, so the Occupy movement also seems to have a lot of 9/11 "truthers" in their ranks.  Having a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists on their side isn't going to help their cause much.


 My thoughts exactly.

Oh, did we land on the moon? And where is bigfoot hiding? Maybe inside all the flying saucers we are storing at area 51?

Maybe it wont even matter because of the 2012 Mayan prophecies?


 This government loves people like you!

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trysts wrote:
InvisibleDuck wrote:
N2UHC wrote:

"4. Re Investigate the Attacks of 9-11-2001

More and more evidence is being released to the public surrounding the suspicious circumstances surrounding 911. This measure would be included in the list of demands to show that the original investigation was significantly flawed."

 

Oh great, so the Occupy movement also seems to have a lot of 9/11 "truthers" in their ranks.  Having a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists on their side isn't going to help their cause much.


 My thoughts exactly.

Oh, did we land on the moon? And where is bigfoot hiding? Maybe inside all the flying saucers we are storing at area 51?

Maybe it wont even matter because of the 2012 Mayan prophecies?


 This government loves people like you!


 Thats humorous considering I spent at least a few of my formative years as a libertarian anarchist (I have since learned a few things).

But who cares what they like. The question is, are you going to have a critical, thinking brain, or are you going to believe any crackpot nonsense that blows in your direction by way of internet blogs written by pretenders and know-nothings.

I love the physics knowledge demonstrated by the truthers, like the claim the buildings fell "faster than free fall", despite the fact that you can clearly see footage showing debris on the outside of the tower falling faster than the tower. I guess they expect everyone is going to take the "truthers" word for it and not actually bother to look at the film.

Who needs evidence, when you can just believe in your internut guru.

talk to a truther long enough and you will get the following interesting set of claims: the government arranged to hijack the planes and fly into the towers, and the government shot down flight 93 and covered it up. Say what? We hijacked a plane, then we shot it down, then we covered up the fact that we shot it down? How stupid does someone have to be to believe all this at the same time?

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InvisibleDuck wrote:
trysts wrote:
InvisibleDuck wrote:
N2UHC wrote:

"4. Re Investigate the Attacks of 9-11-2001

More and more evidence is being released to the public surrounding the suspicious circumstances surrounding 911. This measure would be included in the list of demands to show that the original investigation was significantly flawed."

 

Oh great, so the Occupy movement also seems to have a lot of 9/11 "truthers" in their ranks.  Having a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists on their side isn't going to help their cause much.


 My thoughts exactly.

Oh, did we land on the moon? And where is bigfoot hiding? Maybe inside all the flying saucers we are storing at area 51?

Maybe it wont even matter because of the 2012 Mayan prophecies?


 This government loves people like you!


 Thats humorous considering I spent at least a few of my formative years as a libertarian anarchist (I have since learned a few things).

But who cares what they like. The question is, are you going to have a critical, thinking brain, or are you going to believe any crackpot nonsense that blows in your direction by way of internet blogs written by pretenders and know-nothings.

I love the physics knowledge demonstrated by the truthers, like the claim the buildings fell "faster than free fall", despite the fact that you can clearly see footage showing debris on the outside of the tower falling faster than the tower. I guess they expect everyone is going to take the "truthers" word for it and not actually bother to look at the film.

Who needs evidence, when you can just believe in your internut guru.

talk to a truther long enough and you will get the following interesting set of claims: the government arranged to hijack the planes and fly into the towers, and the government shot down flight 93 and covered it up. Say what? We hijacked a plane, then we shot it down, then we covered up the fact that we shot it down? How stupid does someone have to be to believe all this at the same time?


I'm not a "truther". When I have spoken to "truthers" on the internet, they seem to each have their own theory on the matter. Two conspiracy theories of 9/11 I don't believe are the "official conspiracy theory" as promoted in the "9/11 Commission Report", and the "No-Planes theory". Both of those are absurd to me. I think the Neocons/Zionists planned it with the CIA and Mossad.

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Do you hold this opinion about all terrorist acts, or just the ones that get re-runs on T.V.?

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The tea party Repubicans are about to vote down the middle class tax-cut, those bums do not create Jobs !! they cried like babies when congress wanted to tax those wall street "bonuses" at 90%. Forget the illegal imigrants it is time to start deporting those cowshit for brains types, who vote for these people !!!   Cool

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InvisibleDuck wrote:


 Thats humorous considering I spent at least a few of my formative years as a libertarian anarchist (I have since learned a few things).

But who cares what they like. The question is, are you going to have a critical, thinking brain, or are you going to believe any crackpot nonsense that blows in your direction by way of internet blogs written by pretenders and know-nothings.

I love the physics knowledge demonstrated by the truthers, like the claim the buildings fell "faster than free fall", despite the fact that you can clearly see footage showing debris on the outside of the tower falling faster than the tower. I guess they expect everyone is going to take the "truthers" word for it and not actually bother to look at the film.

Who needs evidence, when you can just believe in your internut guru.

talk to a truther long enough and you will get the following interesting set of claims: the government arranged to hijack the planes and fly into the towers, and the government shot down flight 93 and covered it up. Say what? We hijacked a plane, then we shot it down, then we covered up the fact that we shot it down? How stupid does someone have to be to believe all this at the same time?


  And you no doubt believe this:

 "According to a federal agency report released Thursday, a "new phenomenon" known as thermal expansion was directly responsible for the mysterious collapse of World Trade Center 7 on Sept. 11, 2001."  Stephen C. Webster
Published: Thursday August 21, 2008

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InvisibleDuck wrote:

Do you hold this opinion about all terrorist acts, or just the ones that get re-runs on T.V.?


What? Many people involved in the 9/11 Commission Report said they were lied to, and were not given access to the evidence involved. Former intelligence officials have said that the U.S. government was involved. Yet your crystal ball says it doesn't deserve an investigation. Silly.

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trysts wrote:
InvisibleDuck wrote:

Do you hold this opinion about all terrorist acts, or just the ones that get re-runs on T.V.?


What? Many people involved in the 9/11 Commission Report said they were lied to, and were not given access to the evidence involved. Former intelligence officials have said that the U.S. government was involved. Yet your crystal ball says it doesn't deserve an investigation. Silly.


 It already got its investigation.

If you read neutral science instead of truther hysteria, you will see that every one of their concerns has been debunked.

The only lying has been done by the truthers, with the oft exploded claims like buildings falling "faster than free fall" and all the other ridiculous nonsense.

Note also that debunked stuff never gets admitted to...it just goes into hiding and then starts getting repeated again. No one wants to actually learn, they just wast to spin off more cheesy hyped videos. They have fun, but uts at the expensive of critical thinking brain cells, which just die off from oxygen starvation.

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InvisibleDuck wrote:


 It already got its investigation.

 

The only lying has been done by the truthers


"9/11 COMMISSIONERS

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people.

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest“.

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”"

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Only a lunatic would say that wasn't a demolition job.

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WTC 7 coming down on 9/11 ↑

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Joseph-S wrote:

WTC 7 coming down on 9/11 ↑


I may have told you this before, Joseph-S: My friend's father was a demolitions expert, and her and I showed him the video for that. He had never seen it before. After watching it he said, "That's a controlled demolition, like a book is a book". I love that line!

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InvisibleDuck wrote:

 It already got its investigation.

If you read neutral science instead of truther hysteria, you will see that every one of their concerns has been debunked.

The only lying has been done by the truthers, with the oft exploded claims like buildings falling "faster than free fall" and all the other ridiculous nonsense.

Note also that debunked stuff never gets admitted to...it just goes into hiding and then starts getting repeated again. No one wants to actually learn, they just wast to spin off more cheesy hyped videos. They have fun, but uts at the expensive of critical thinking brain cells, which just die off from oxygen starvation.


You believe there was an airliner in that Pentagon hole, Daffyduck?

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What was the "official" reason for #7 falling? There are so many questions as yet un answered......

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trysts wrote:
Joseph-S wrote:

WTC 7 coming down on 9/11 ↑


I may have told you this before, Joseph-S: My friend's father was a demolitions expert, and her and I showed him the video for that. He had never seen it before. After watching it he said, "That's a controlled demolition, like a book is a book". I love that line!


 Great line!   Smile

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Joseph-S wrote:

 

Only a lunatic would say that wasn't a demolition job.


 Because, as everyone knows, rigging up a building for a controlled demolition is easy and can be done in a few hours inside a burning building.  McGyver can do it with a box of toothpicks and some hairspray.

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Irrelevantduck,what if it was done before ,say a day or 3? Almost like blind patriotism,once you're mind is made-up, any new facts to the contrary must be bogus because you have already decided so.

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Joseph-S wrote:
InvisibleDuck wrote:
 

 It already got its investigation.

If you read neutral science instead of truther hysteria, you will see that every one of their concerns has been debunked.

The only lying has been done by the truthers, with the oft exploded claims like buildings falling "faster than free fall" and all the other ridiculous nonsense.

Note also that debunked stuff never gets admitted to...it just goes into hiding and then starts getting repeated again. No one wants to actually learn, they just wast to spin off more cheesy hyped videos. They have fun, but uts at the expensive of critical thinking brain cells, which just die off from oxygen starvation.


You believe there was an airliner in that Pentagon hole, Daffyduck?


 Fortunately, I have obtained secret tapes showing the actual behind-the-scenes planning regarding the Pentagon attacks, via the Freedom of Baloney act of '08. Here is the part of the transcript that survived the CIA attempt to controllably detonate a file cabinet:

Cheney:....so, in conclusion, that is why it would be a good idea to have the CIA fake terrorist attacks against us!

Bush: So we are going to have 2 airplanes fly into the WTC?

Cheney: Correct.

Bush: And a plane is going to fly towards the capital, but we are going to shoot it down?

Cheney: Yes, you are catching on quick.

Bush: To demonstrate the heroism of our fighter pilots, right?

Cheney: No! No, you forget, we have to shoot it down, but cover up the fact that we shot it down! Don't you remember my rational for this tactic?

Bush: Uhhh...

Cheney: Never mind, George, its complicated. But yes, we shoot down the plane that we send towards the Capitol building. Just trust me, this furthers our goal.

Bush: Ok, and what was the deal with the Pentagon again? Another plane, right?

Cheney: (audibly sighs at this point) No, George, NOT, repeat, NOT a plane. A missile.

Bush: But we sent planes to the other places, why can't we just do it here?

Cheney: Its...complicated, George.

Bush: I just want to use planes.

Cheney: George...For the fourth target, we are going to use a missile, but we are going to pretend its a plane!

Bush: But why?

Cheney: Well, I mean, its because...

Bush: And anyway, thats a big touristy kind of area. Suppose, just suppose, someone is taking videos or something. Won't that mess up the whole...err ...strategery?

Cheney: We are going to have to take that chance. Its just too important that the fourth attack is not a plane like all the other attacks, but a missile disguised as a plane.

Bush: Its...complicated?

Cheney: NOW you are catching on!

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toadog7 wrote:

Irrelevantduck,what if it was done before ,say a day or 3? Almost like blind patriotism,once you're mind is made-up, any new facts to the contrary must be bogus because you have already decided so.


 Excuse me ma'm, we have to run these detonation wires over your desk and drill a hole through the wall over your head. Try to forget we were here, ok?

Here is a quote from Wikipedia on the controlled demolition conspiracy:

"

Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort.The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors. Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towers without the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center noticing. Referring to a conversation with Stuart Vyse, a professor of psychology, an article in the Hartford Advocate asks, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash [...] and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?""

But sure, lets just say this all happened a couple of days before, then hold hands, close our eyes, and BELIEVE.

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