We can eliminate poverty in the USA

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bigpoison
sargeyoda16 wrote:

So you are saying that because the US already has welfare programs, we should expand these programs? And this would be funded by either increasing taxes or more spending. Not to mention that welfare, even the welfare we already have, is a drain on a country already swimming in debt. I haven't heard of the conservation reserve program and have no idea what it is/does but if it is a welfare program as you say it is, then it should be dealt with like the other welfare programs. Welfare is the last thing this America needs... that is to say, it does not need welfare at all nor should it want it if it has any sensibility. :)

Well, if you consider welfare as tax dollars used to help the needy, then no, the CRP certainly is not that.  I assume you can use google.

sargeyoda16
I usually use Bing. ;) And please stop with the derisive comments unless you are trying to joke around. :)

Anyways, I do not know how the specific definition of welfare or any program is constructive to why welfare and handouts are a good thing?
bigpoison

In order to understand one another, it is necessary to define one's terms. 

I don't consider rent payments made to wealthy landowners in order that they not farm the land welfare. 

sargeyoda16
Are you saying that poor people pay rich people to *not* farm the land? If not, can you clarify exactly what it is you are saying because I am confused. If so, that is absurd, please elaborate.
bigpoison

No, not poor people:  taxpayers. 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=conservation+reserve+program

sargeyoda16
Ok... so taxpayers pay for it, what's your point? I'm not getting anything but a googled definition of what the program is... also thanks for googling it for me. ;) Since I use Bing, it's always refreshing to see what another search engine says. :D
bigpoison

The point is that your statement, "This is America, we don't give out free money, this ain't the USSR, we give you *one* thing and *one* thing *only*... that is the *opportunity* to get yourself out of poverty," is very, very wrong.

Despite the silly and hyperbolic rhetoric you've been believing your whole life, the U.S. is a socialist country.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

If you want opportunity,how about free university education? 

bigpoison

That's a terrible idea.  A free high school education is a fine idea.  Way too many folks are going to University as it is.  I'm all for cost controlling higher education, but higher education should be for the future academics of the world.  Your average citizen should learn a trade.

The myth of the necessity of a "higher education" is the bane of the millenial.  They get their "economic life" started way in the hole.  The answer is not to make college free.  The answer is to quit encouraging all the youth to seek bachelor's degrees.  

trysts

University education should be free to everyone. It should just come out of our taxes:)

Senior-Lazarus_Long

What? A bachelor's degree is nothing.People need 4-6 years training post highschool to compete for any decent job. You can't even manage a fast food joint,without post high school training.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

Trade schools too.

bigpoison

How does a bachelor's degree in creative writing help anybody get a job?

Senior-Lazarus_Long
bigpoison wrote:

How does a bachelor's degree in creative writing help anybody get a job?

A job isn't the reason to go to school.

bigpoison

Americans should learn all they need to know, via formal education, to be productive members of society by the time they graduate from high school.

I wonder if Plato could fathom a society without slaves?

Senior-Lazarus_Long
bigpoison wrote:

Americans should learn all they need to know, via formal education, to be productive members of society by the time they graduate from high school.

I wonder if Plato could fathom a society without slaves?

Nonsense.

SashaRocks

Just putting this out there. There is a forum called "Trump leads on Super Tuesday". It is filled with pro-trump things like polls and articles. I posted two anti-Trump remarks, and the maker of the forum, who has provided almost 99% of the answers, banned me from talking. First of all, is that allowed? Secondly, shouldn't these forums be chess-related only. I have nothing against this forum, which is sound and has good ideas to solve economic problems. However, forums that exist to support something completely non-chess related, and don't let anyone else comment, should be banned, right?

bigpoison
CensoredReality wrote:
Ah, I actually agree a lot with that, bigpoison. Perhaps a more effective method would be to reform education from grades 6-12 and make it more about REAL education and less about obedience training? Then make college not free. Works for me. same outcome/reason for doing it.

I'm on board.  High school as a training ground for factory workers is obsolete.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

He can. It's an off topic forum.

sargeyoda16
*sigh* I'm tired of being told by idiots of how idiotic I am.... it's idiotic how these idiots think everyone is a idiot but they themselves.... *sigh* good-bye, there is no reasoning with those who want to believe their own lies.