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I'm remembering non duality and nothing and everything being one .

I prefer the idea I am everything to nothing !
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Oh I wanted to say something . Sometimes I think I would like to post on another thread but I'm not sure I'd be welcome .

I'd like to invite anyone and everyone to post here whether they feel it's particularly relevant or not . I enjoy people and I find inspiration through the comments of others
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this is so stupid, you already posted this the first time! What the hell is this? 

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Pardon ?
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I'm thinking the fact a lot of our decisions are taken unconsciously suggests that we aren't as we think we are .

After all a lot of our behaviour is automatic hardly controlled at all .

I think it's just there is this awareness thing that's part of evolution and when it occurs it can lead to bewilderment .

Brings the thought oh I'm here ! What do I do ? What's my life about !
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John-Daniel a écrit :

this is so stupid, you already posted this the first time! What the hell is this? 

don't worry, a new comer, he dunno ther are questions on topics "What are we ?" he is the only one who reads other's answers, trying to get what we call genuine original idea.

Not dangerous we guess.

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I guess how the confusion occurs is the awareness is supposed to be in respect of things outside of ourselves but inevitably sooner or later we become aware that we exist and that creates a what are we problem ?

So if this assessment is true then really all we is nature evolving naturally and this awareness is just something that has naturally developed .

I guess that this awareness is aware of itself causes bewilderment .

I'm not sure how to get out this existential crisis .

I think I've an idea though .

I think it's thought that leads to the confusion . Just being aware of oneself isn't something that brings concern in itself .

So the way to exit the confusion is to let go of thought
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That's interesting fb about original ideas . For me I just want to get a general model that I can accept .

I felt I was making progress feeling certain that the universe was created naturally but then I thought well nature within life forms seems incredibly complex and it seemed to me perhaps I could be wrong to believe it's all accidental . That there is no inherent intelligence within life .

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You know though I think it's all accidental . I think chance created this universe and chance determines how we behave .
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What is Chaos Theory? 

Chaos is the science of surprises, of the nonlinear and the unpredictable. It teaches us to expect the unexpected. While most traditional science deals with supposedly predictable phenomena like gravity, electricity, or chemical reactions, Chaos Theory deals with nonlinear things that are effectively impossible to predict or control, like turbulence, weather, the stock market, our brain states, and so on. These phenomena are often described by fractal mathematics, which captures the infinite complexity of nature. Many natural objects exhibit fractal properties, including landscapes, clouds, trees, organs, rivers etc, and many of the systems in which we live exhibit complex, chaotic behavior. Recognizing the chaotic, fractal nature of our world can give us new insight, power, and wisdom. For example, by understanding the complex, chaotic dynamics of the atmosphere, a balloon pilot can “steer” a balloon to a desired location. By understanding that our ecosystems, our social systems, and our economic systems are interconnected, we can hope to avoid actions which may end up being detrimental to our long-term well-being.

Don't blame me!

 

 

Principles of Chaos

  • The Butterfly Effect: This effect grants the power to cause a hurricane in China to a butterfly flapping its wings in New Mexico. It may take a very long time, but the connection is real. If the butterfly had not flapped its wings at just the right point in space/time, the hurricane would not have happened. A more rigorous way to express this is that small changes in the initial conditions lead to drastic changes in the results. Our lives are an ongoing demonstration of this principle. Who knows what the long-term effects of teaching millions of kids about chaos and fractals will be?
  • Unpredictability: Because we can never know all the initial conditions of a complex system in sufficient (i.e. perfect) detail, we cannot hope to predict the ultimate fate of a complex system. Even slight errors in measuring the state of a system will be amplified dramatically, rendering any prediction useless. Since it is impossible to measure the effects of all the butterflies (etc) in the World, accurate long-range weather prediction will always remain impossible.
  • Order / Disorder Chaos is not simply disorder. Chaos explores the transitions between order and disorder, which often occur in surprising ways.
  • Mixing: Turbulence ensures that two adjacent points in a complex system will eventually end up in very different positions after some time has elapsed. Examples: Two neighboring water molecules may end up in different parts of the ocean or even in different oceans. A group of helium balloons that launch together will eventually land in drastically different places. Mixing is thorough because turbulence occurs at all scales. It is also nonlinear: fluids cannot be unmixed.
  • Feedback: Systems often become chaotic when there is feedback present. A good example is the behavior of the stock market. As the value of a stock rises or falls, people are inclined to buy or sell that stock. This in turn further affects the price of the stock, causing it to rise or fall chaotically.
  • Fractals: A fractal is a never-ending pattern. Fractals are infinitely complex patterns that are self-similar across different scales. They are created by repeating a simple process over and over in an ongoing feedback loop. Driven by recursion, fractals are images of dynamic systems – the pictures of Chaos. Geometrically, they exist in between our familiar dimensions. Fractal patterns are extremely familiar, since nature is full of fractals. For instance: trees, rivers, coastlines, mountains, clouds, seashells, hurricanes, etc.

“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”

-Albert Einstein

 

-Albert Einstein
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Wow I really enjoyed hearing about chaos theory . I was reminded that hawking talked about though it was theoretically possible to predict perfectly human behaviour , practically it would always be impossible because we are far too complex .

I liked the comment about how once water is mixed it can't be unmixed .

It would be nice for one or two people to enjoy my wondering at least some of the time but I'll post anyway so long as I'm enjoying reading and speculating about what is
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Taoism 101: Introduction to the TaoHome  Personal Tao Teachings  Taoist Articles  Taoism 101: Introduction to the Tao
 
I have been asked many times how to find a Temple, Master or how best to learn Taoism. Here is a brief Taoism 101 course outline on how to discover Taoism.
 
 
This is a different type of guide to learning Taoism. Taoism teaches a person to follow their breath, to embrace wonder and the joy in living gracefully with style. So here is the modern practical guide to living as a Taoist!
 
What is Taoism?
 
To many people, a confusing aspect of Taoism is its very definition. Many religions will happily teach a Philosophy/Dogma which in reflection defines a person. Taoism flips this around. It starts by teaching a truth; “The Tao” is indefinable. It then follows up by teaching that each person can discover the Tao in their own terms. A teaching like this can be very hard to grasp when most people desire very concrete definitions in their own life.
 
A simply way to start learning the definition of Taoism is to start within yourself. Here are three easy starting steps to learning Taoism:
 
Don’t concentrate on the definition of the Tao (this will come later naturally)
Understand what Taoism really is. Taoism is more than just a “philosophy” or a “religion”. Taoism should be understood as being: A system of belief, attitudes and practices set towards the service and living to a person’s own nature.
The path of understanding Taoism is simply accepting yourself. Live life and discover who you are. Your nature is ever changing and is always the same. Don’t try to resolve the various contradictions in life, instead learn acceptance of your nature.
 
 
Practicing Taoism
 
Taoism teaches a person to flow with life. Over the years Taoism has become many things to many people. Hundreds of variations in Taoist practice exist. Some of these practices are philosophical in nature, others are religious. Taoism makes no distinction in applying labels to its own nature. This is important since as a person, we are each a blend of many truths. The truth taught in Taoism is to embrace life in actions that support you as a person.
 
Taoism teaches a person to live to their heart.
 
Here are some simple starting tips to help a person live as a Taoist.
 
Having a set of basic guidelines can be helpful. However realistically, guidelines don’t determine how to live; Instead Taoism teaches by living you will express your nature.My personal guidelines are the following:
With care, I aid those who are extended expressions of my nature.
Be true to myself
Connect to the world as I want to be treated.
Connect to those outside my nature with decisive action.
To those unwilling to accept me for my true nature, no action is required:
Just silently let them be themselves as I remain myself.
I own nothing; I am merely a passing custodian of items outside of my nature.
Discover a set of practices to aid keeping the mind, body and spirit engaged and strong. Remember practices should support your essence with the activities fitting the needs of the moment. Which means this is a shifting balance of activities relative to your needs. For example I practice martial arts to keep my body strong, yoga to make my body subtle, meditation to clear my mind, bike around simply to fly and lift my spirit. Poetry as a lens of examination. All these and more are my shifting practices to support my essence and in doing each, each helps me learn more about myself and the world.
Take time, relax and just explore and poke around. Taoism has no plans. Taoism is based upon following your gut feelings and trusting your instincts.
It’s within the pause of a breath… that each step of living becomes visible for your larger life to improve and follow upon.Smile, when needing to pick a possible next step. To smile is to open possibilities.Breathe when needing a break. Since to breathe is to be at one with yourself.Alternate the two and your path will become free and clear for an entire lifetime of wonder to explore.This may sound simple, but you would be surprise how many people cannot embrace this most basic aspect of Taoist practice! People think it cannot be that simple! Taoism truly is this simple. If you follow and practice step four, not only is that all one needs to fully embrace Taoism, but also anything becomes possible within this simple practice. However, most people need time letting go of expectations. So it’s also ok to dig deeper into Taoism. Taoism has many many levels of teachings on purpose to help people from all perspectives move smoothly in life.
I can summarize Taoism as simply as
 
Taoism is acceptance of your life.
Taoism is following your breath to find peace.
Taoism is opening up a smile to enable possibility.
 
If you embrace these three ideas, everything else follows in Taoism. Some people do start here. Others take a longer more colorful path. That’s fine also, since you get to experience more color in your life. No wrong path exists at the end, since it’s about experiencing life.
 
Practical Taoist Advice
 
At times the process of learning Taoism is also a process of healing. Take time to heal (don’t rush and hurt yourself more in the rushing). Taoism teaches to embrace your body with patience.
There are 6.5 billon people in the world , and so 6.5 billion paths to Taoism, every person can teach us something.
Sometimes you need quietness; it’s ok to take time off to only hear yourself and not the noise of civilization at times.
People expect and think that the goal of life is perfection… it’s not… you should desire for being good at something and to embrace the various little imperfections… that end up actually being defining characteristics of each of us.The little bits of imperfection we each have
are elements of chaos
that give each person individuality and distinction!Without our little flaws we wouldn’t be individuals at all! Taoism teaches us how to accept both the best and worse parts of our life.
Taoism teaches a person to drop expectations. The more expectations you have for your life, the less you will become.A Taoist lives life without expectations, living in the here and now fully.Since most people need a few expectations especially when dealing with important future experiences. Here is a trick.Create only a single expectation at a time for that future experience. For example: An expectation you will smile or have some fun. Thats it! Don’t place any learning or changing into your expectation. If you do , this actually plants the seed for the opposite to occur, By creating a single simple expectation such as smiling, this then becomes something you can always fulfill since you can empower that action to happen. Any expectation more complicated or relying on something outside of yourself, just sets up the future to not meeting your needs.Dropping expectation is very very important within Taoism.
Lather, Rinse and Repeat , and then toss the instructions away to do what is right for yourself… This is Taoism at the very elemental level, so be open, experiment and embrace what works for you.Taoism as a tradition has teachers who work with students on an individual basis. In the end no guide or Master can be right for everyone. For this reason , we are always our own best teacher. Give yourself credit and patience to be such a teacher to your own life.
 
 
Taoist Resources
 
If you need a guide to Taoism, then first start with these three books:
Tao Te Ching
Chuang Tzu
A Personal Tao
I recommend starting with A Personal Tao, as it’s specifically written with a modern perspective to help people discover their nature. Due to the nature of Taoist writings you can easily read all three at the same time and intermix the ideas.
 
If you desire a person as a guide, you can find a Taoist temple, Zen Dojo or local sage to simply chat with occasionally. Taoism’s deepest truths must come from the inside, but at times it’s helpful to get an outside perspective to see your own nature.If you are in the Oakland area of California I highly recommend The Taoist Center. Dr Alex Feng is an incredibly open and sincere Taoist Master.I also offer personal Taoist Retreats and Taoism Classes.
If you cannot find a local resource, then start keeping a journal and over time review it. A journal becomes a nice mirror to reflect upon our nature as we move through life.
 
 
History of Taoism
 
Most sites will teach you the terms and history of Taoism. That might be nice for academics: but it really does nothing for teaching you how to live as a Taoist. Taoism is about embracing life in the now and not in being stuck in history or terms.
 
Originally Taoism can be considered to be a shamanic practice. However, Taoism is so old; the complete history of Taoism cannot be traced through written records. Taoism is very much a tradition that is transmitted verbally from master to student over the generations. Because of this, some of the shamanic roots of Taoism still survive today. Taoism historically is also a very flexible practice. Taoism is a practice of change and it always changes to meet the needs of the times. This is still happening today and even as we speak Taoism is evolving to keep pace with modern culture. This is one reason Taoism has survived for so long, it always adapts with the time while holding onto a few key concepts to keep the practice true to the Tao.
 
An early surviving text to describe the Tao is the Tao-Te Ching, written by Lao-Tzu (The old master). The Tao-Te Ching is a series of poems that can be considered to be a work of philosophy, a treatise on how to run a government, a how-to book for achieving a balanced life, or a sage’s reflection of humanity and the universe. It is known to have been written over 2400 years ago but not much else is retained about the origins. Many fun stories abound about these origins; however, these are just that, stories. What is important is that the Tao-Te Ching and its poetry survive, having had an impact on the course of human events over the past 2400 years. It’s an interesting book, worth skimming. I say “skim” because it is written in a light-hearted manner. If a reader stares too hard or takes the Tao-Te Ching too literally, the multiple intentions within the poetry will be lost.
 
Many many stories, and tales exist about the History of Taoism. Some of these stories could be true, and some could be fables. As a Taoist, the point is to learn from the mixing of our reactions to the tales. Veracity is best left to history; time will always change “truth” for each generation.
 
Taoism HIstory
 
Tao and Chinese Culture
 
Tao is a word. It translates roughly as: the way. When as a Taoist we talk about the Tao, we are talking about the central aspect of our practice. However, it’s important to keep in mind, as a word, the word Tao is used for a lot more than just Taoism. Every religion has its way. Every person has their way. Every practice has their way. There is a Tao for everything. This doesn’t directly mean it’s the same Tao as what we speak about in Taoism. While from a Taoist view point it’s all the same, from a human literary perspective it’s not. So it’s important to always take the word Tao within the context of the statement being made.
 
For instance: a Confucian will use of the term Tao to cover how they believe and act. On paper, the Tao of Confucianism is quite a bit different than the Tao of Taoism. A Confucian embraces order while a Taoist will dance to chaos. The Tao that a Confucian teaches is a rigid logical complex system of behavior. The Tao of Taoism is freedom to embrace all the whimsy of life. The same Tao both times: in the using the Tao to refer to a way of life, but the actual results, the path taken is quite a bit different. A path is a path but .not all paths lead to the same place while in the process of the journey itself.
 
Of course to a Taoist all paths do lead to the same place :). It’s just the journey might seem longer to some than others.
 
So please keep this in mind if you see the word Tao being used in a slightly different context than what you were expecting.
 
Advanced Taoism: Tao and God
 
This last section is for the brave of heart, for those wanting a few more advance answers.
 
First and foremost: Taoism respects the concept of God. Initially one might think a discussion of God would be an impersonal topic. It isn’t. Each person has a very deep and connected relationship in what they view God may or may not be. A person’s view on god is a statement and reflection upon the way a person also views their own life. As a result when discussing differences in God, it’s best to respect it as also being a highly personal and sensitive topic.
 
When exploring Taoism, eventually a person compares the terms God and Tao. I would suggest first reading this chapter of A Personal Tao on Religion.
 
From this chapter:
 
Taoism offers the option to skip the comparison. This question is irrelevant. God could or could not exist, and either state doesn’t change the way we lead our lives. Our lives are expressions of action between ourselves and the universe. To respect our surrounding environment is a furthering of respect to ourselves. This manner of living doesn’t change regardless of the nature of God or the Tao.
 
However, most people insist upon definition and seeking deeper answers. So lets expand upon God and Tao. God as a term is often “defined” as being an ultimate creator or universal power. The various aspects of God has been fought over as long as humans have written and used words. All definitions are based upon perception. From a Taoist perspective: human based definitions are both right and wrong: as all definitions are relative upon humanity’s state of mind. A Taoist stays out of arguments of definition. It’s not productive arguing over something relative to each person. Instead Taoism accepts each person’s view of God as being personal.
 
A Taoist doesn’t think the Tao is before, after or is even equal to God. The Tao is a concept to describe something that goes beyond our capability to define. Taoism leaves the Tao undefined and a Taoist happily explores the wonder that opens up as a result.
 
All Taoist’s will agree: The Tao is indefinable…
 
Something which is indefinable: is outside of human definition by default. However, we can still accept it as indefinable. The Tao by being indefinable… removes all issues of perception in its definition… since perception cannot directly reveal the Tao which is undefined. It’s just simply and utterly is: undefined…
 
If your personal definition of God is: God is indefinable… then the Tao and God at that point merge towards the same concept… Once a person accepts the definition of the Tao as being indefinable, that person by definition has to leave it as undefined… Once you place any definition over such a term… it takes a person further away from the whole concept of the Tao.
 
In some of the Taoist religions, Taoism does have gods, but Taoist gods typically are very tangible beings. They walk besides us, share tea with us, laugh, play and can alter reality. A Taoist god represents an enlightened immortal that helps other conscious beings work towards grace. In Taoism gods are shown as guides and inspriration towards how to find enlightenment. (Please keep in mind: this paragraph is an extreme simplification of how Taoism views Gods.)
 
We do say in Taoism: We are of the Tao, or God is of the Tao… but Taoist’s say this… since from our perception of living: we are each undefined. We only define ourselves as we live. While living, we are still moving through life, a large part of our nature is indefinable until the end of Living. As a result: we are of the Tao. A Taoist can see the Tao within everything… This can be a very delicate logical truth and often confuses non-Taoist’s. This is why I wrote A Personal Tao: being human we see the Tao in terms of our own life. This brings us full circle in the Tao’s definition. The Tao is indefinable and yet we are completely of the Tao.
 
A Taoist knows to leave the Tao as is, to grasp the Tao within the chase of living fully. It’s a wonderful contradiction to embrace and it actually does completely full-fill one’s life within that acceptance. For a Taoist this is all about living and exploring our possibilities, for we each are undefined and of the Tao. Trying to define ourselves just limits one’s nature and what can be done. So a Taoist instead embraces the Tao, to discover and open up all possibilities instead.
 
From here each person is free to draw their own conclusions… which will always shift to the winds of perception.
 
If this confuses you, then please go back and repeat these three steps:
 
Don’t concentrate on the definition of the Tao (this will come later naturally)
Understand what Taoism really is. Taoism is more than just a “philosophy” or a “religion”. Taoism should be understood as being: A system of belief, attitudes and practices set towards the service and living to a person’s own nature.
The path of understanding the Tao is simply accepting yourself.
Live life and discover who you are. Your nature is ever changing and is always the same. Don’t try to resolve the various contradictions in life, instead learn acceptance of your nature.
 
Remember: Taoism teaches a person to live to their heart.
 
Sincerely
Casey
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Zen for Beginners
An Introduction to Zen
by Anne Rudloe

This selection is from "Butterflies on Sea Wind: Beginning Zen" by Anne Rudloe, Ph.D., Abbot Cypress Tree Zen Group, Kwan Um School of Zen. It is available in bookstores or it can be ordered directly from Amazon.com or from the publisher, Andrews McMeel Publishing, Kansas City, Mo.

Many of us today are over stretched, trying to balance too many things. We all want to be happy but too often it's out there, somewhere over the horizon, something we'll get to in the future. When things don't work out in accordance with our desires, we move on, change partners, change jobs, or trade in whatever isn't right for a better model. It's always easier to keep moving than to stop and face the fundamental questions -- Who am I? What is really happening here?

Spiritual practice is the quest to answer these questions. It is both the highest adventure that life offers and simultaneously the most intimate of all human activities. A journey through all the nooks and crannies of the human experience, spiritual inquiry is the effort to connect with a larger reality, to master the self and its endless puzzles and boundaries. It's the never-ending question of "What is this? What's the point? Why am I here?" that won't go away or be ignored.

Zen practice is a powerful method of spiritual exploration. Even though Zen originated in Asian monasteries over 1000 years ago, this spiritual path is still relevant today. It can help us to maintain a viable balance between our personal needs, career obligations, and the deep-seated need to understand our role in a vast and starry universe.

Zen is not based on faith in any revealed truth or dogma but in the direct immediate experience of our own lives. Zen means to sit with an open heart, asking --Who am I? What am I? What is it to be human? What is our relationship to this shining universe?

In Zen meditation, we learn to be still and allow the neglected intuitive forms of consciousness to operate. To do that, we first learn to pay attention, to be fully present in each moment and aware of the nuances of life. It takes a while, but every bit of improvement in this skill is a wonderful gift we give ourselves each day. And it's done by relaxing, not by forcing. When it doesn't have a specific job, we let the mind rest quietly rather than chatter compulsively to itself, endlessly raking through its collection of possessions, desires, likes and dislikes, plans and memories. Achieving that quiet mind isn't quick or easy. The mind dearly loves to talk to itself.

Nevertheless, if we persist, this practice can dissolve our ignorance and the confusion and pain that ignorance inevitably brings. And once all that is gone, then happiness and peace are simply there. We begin to live with more clarity and to act with more compassion toward all of our fellow beings. In time, the clarity may get a little worn and frayed so then we come back to the meditation hall and work under retreat conditions to restore it.

Like science, Zen practice is a way of trying to comprehend the larger reality that exists beyond our personal affairs. Unlike science, however, Zen is equally concerned with human affairs, does not try to divorce the humanity of the observer from the rest of the universe being observed. It focuses precisely on the relationship of the individual to everything else, asks the question `what is a human being's job in this vast and starry universe?'

Beginning Zen practice as a lay person through a series of small retreats interspersed with affairs of work and family is the path most American Zen students encounter. Most of us will not do the long years of intensive practice necessary to become a Zen Master. However we can use the powerful techniques of Zen practice to make our lives more whole and sacred and to find our Way in the midst of our daily lives.

The centuries old monastic practices of Zen are designed to realize the intense focus and energy that is inherent within each of us. We preserve and use these techniques in formal retreats. But meditation is not some kind of self -centered spiritual hobby. How to apply what we have learned in retreats and what to do with it will come to us after we have come home again. We learn to bring the focused attention that we've practiced in retreats to other activities in our lives. Instead of the traditional monastic lifestyle, the circumstances of our own individual lives provide the raw material for spiritual growth.

Beginning a Zen practice can be a sink or swim business. Books on Zen philosophy don't often give much indication of what it's like to actually sit down on a meditation cushion and begin to practice. Reading about Buddhist or Zen philosophy divorced from practice is a recent western innovation. For the first time in the long history of the Zen tradition, teachings are widely available in print and huge numbers of people are literate and can study them privately. This is a huge shift from previous generations when serious in depth teaching was always included within the context of intensive meditation retreats and monastic practice.

While this shift makes these concepts much more widely available than they ever were before, there is also a need to be careful. It's beneficial to read, study and discuss ideas and philosophy, but if that's all one does, it's rather like reading the label on a medicine bottle and debating what it says but never taking the medicine. Serious Zen practice includes meditation, precepts, chanting, and engagements with a deeply realized and experienced teacher who can see and challenge all of the ego's endless protective games and encourage the student to maintain a deeply questioning mind of humility and openness.

Yet, in the west today it is very common for people to refuse to consider the possibility that there could be anything gained by studying with a teacher or using traditional techniques in developing a spiritual practice. Many people read books about Zen, but only a few actually practice in a rigorous setting and almost nobody trusts a teacher enough to work with them long term, in a one-on-one relationship.

There are several possible reasons for such reluctance. Modern western culture is extraordinarily individualistic. Perhaps we fear the intimacy required in a relationship with a spiritual mentor. Sometimes our egos can be affronted at the idea that there is anything we can learn from anybody else on such a personal matter, or at the idea that our personal situation could be in any way similar to someone else. Many people may distrust their ability to distinguish a true teacher from the hordes of self-serving spiritual hustlers who are unquestionably out there. We may respect academic or scientific credentials and expertise because we have some understanding of what those credentials mean. However, we may distrust spiritual credentials because we don't understand what they represent in terms of training.

Nevertheless, after doing some reading, we may finally decide to jump in and sign up for an Zen retreat. There, more often than not, the rationale for the methods used is not explained and a group of strangers sitting in silence may seem intimidating and unwelcoming. The schedule is exhausting and it may seem impossible to survive the day. In addition, traditional Zen teachings, which come from a monastic tradition, often have little to say about the primary issues most of us face today such as earning a living and raising a family. It's not surprisingly that many beginners flounder in confusion and frustration and then give up.

Nevertheless, despite the steep learning curve at the beginning, it is well worthwhile to keep trying. Sometimes a moment of clarity and spiritual awareness arises in the midst of daily living, spontaneously, unexpectedly shimmering like a spring flowing deep in the forest. Compared to that, formal Zen practice is rather like drilling a well. It works, it finds water too, but it works slowly, painfully, and requires enormous effort and commitment. Not a very good method, compared to finding a spring. But those springs rarely appear for most of us. If we want to reach the water, maybe we better start drilling.

Staring at that silence and stillness long enough, merging with it, we eventually come to realize that the answers to our questions are within that stillness. We don't penetrate the silence, it penetrates and dissolves us. Once that experience begins to occur, continued practice widens and deepens it. We practice because our lives are beginning to work better. We realize that everything is our teacher, if we just pay attention. And we discover that there is no conclusion to Zen practice.

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Wow wasn't that zen post beautiful . I find it true the answers are within that stillness .

It's interesting to hear this person talking like Md and Nikprit about a guide .

If I had more time and money I would like to try this type of exploration
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You're comfortable with your life ? What you are getting out of it ? I am . I hope you are too
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So I feel certain that the universe began naturally without intent. I wasn't so sure whether nature is without intelligence in terms of when thinking of living creatures .

Thinking about it though I see there is a middle ground .
So everything is in reality accidental but naturally life gravitates towards reinforcing itself .

For example if you're standing in the shadows eventually you'll think I'd love to be in the sun because it's a pleasurable experience .

We naturally favour what's beneficial to us .

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Tao

  1. Sometimes you need quietness; it’s ok to take time off to only hear yourself and not the noise of civilization at times.
  2. Taoism teaches a person to drop expectations. The more expectations you have for your life, the less you will become.A Taoist lives life without expectations, living in the here and now fully
  3. Taoism’s deepest truths must come from the inside
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About #47, I have heard of this William Jennings Bryan before. Maybe if he would have know about this Darwin's quote he wouldn't have commited such a common mistake: "what a book a devil's chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering, low and horribly cruel work of nature!"

Darwin's work was a theory explaining certain facts of the universe, not a doctrine about how the world should work.